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Sage vs Chara
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Isn't Sonic's multiverse like hundreds of times bigger than baseline Ad Infinitum, which is what Undertale one caps at?
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Sonic’s multiverse is bigger but hax would likely matter more here.
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Ok so... Is Sage's concept manip something like Madoka or just allows her to interact with AE1 beings?
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The latter.
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Then another thing.
Can Sage's sealing prevent SAVE and LOAD from happening (if she does it in-character ofc)?
Might argue Chara using possession but they don't lead with it in character so eh.
Can Sage's sealing prevent SAVE and LOAD from happening (if she does it in-character ofc)?
Might argue Chara using possession but they don't lead with it in character so eh.
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Ok, im assuming that sealing is not sage's first move here
So,sage can kill chara in one hit with quite literally any of its projectiles, so here is my take:
1-Sage one shots chara
2-Chara revives with her save/load mechanic
3-However, since sage is acasual(type 4) she should be unaffected by chara's ability or at the very least she would remember everything that happened before the load, so she is just going to seal her away to end the fight
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So,sage can kill chara in one hit with quite literally any of its projectiles, so here is my take:
1-Sage one shots chara
2-Chara revives with her save/load mechanic
3-However, since sage is acasual(type 4) she should be unaffected by chara's ability or at the very least she would remember everything that happened before the load, so she is just going to seal her away to end the fight
Voting sage
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Sealing is more in-character for her base form to lead with, which works by trapping the opponent into Cyber Space. When piloting Supreme, she will start by firing projectiles (which those are capable of harming abstract entities such as The End).
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Remembering stuff is pointless if Chara can just try again though.
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Is chara going to die if she get sent to cyber space tho?
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Eden_Warlock99
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Isn't it funny that Chara only has like 2 minutes of screen time lel
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Tbf we have indexed characters that have zero feats, zero screen time and/or have only been mentioned in a couple sentences of vague dialogue/lore.
Chara's presence is quite inoffensive, retroactively speaking.
In any case I don't think either can actually kill each other via conventional means so incap (perhaps?) is looking to be the answer here.
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I don't think any of them have the hax necessary to put the other down for good, nor do I think Sage could just incap Chara considering his immortalities, SAVE/LOAD, and whatnot. I'd say Inconclusive for now.
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didn't The End have it's powers nullified when the Titans sealed it in Cyberspace until Eggman tried to hack it?
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Let's change to Asriel.
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nothing changes, besides the fact sage cant fight back from soul hax + save/load abuse
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Sage doesn’t have a soul, she is an AI.
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UT Soul Hax is weak asf as it still needs to deal physical damage 1st. So it won't change anything at all.
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fair nough
it can do physical damage, doesn't mean it NEEDS to. it can very easily ignore someone's body and attack the soul only, as shown in every fight in the game.
the only time UT soul Hax was ever shownt to do Physical damage was undyne.
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What I mean is that it won't do significant damage, given that Sage is immensely beyond Asriel physically.
Bur regardless it's not revevant here.
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Sans's Soul Hax can affect Souless beings, no?
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No, at least I haven’t seen any indication it does. Even if it did though, I don’t know why Chara would scale to that.
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Well it can affect Flowey, who's souless. Plus I was talking about Asriel lel
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he effected Flowey with it, who is a soulless flower. but no that shouldn't scale to chara, as sans used magic to get that effect.
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Chara has not even magic, which is what allows to harm souls.
But anyway, let's just return to Sage vs Chara.
But anyway, let's just return to Sage vs Chara.
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Chara has no literal way to destroy Sage.
I mean, like the shit they gonna do here
I mean, like the shit they gonna do here
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It's Incon lel
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Out of curiosity, how large are both verse's multiverses, if I may ask?
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Undertale Multiverse = Baseline Ad Infinitum
Sonic Multiverse = 371 to 550 times larger than baseline Ad Infinitum
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But regardless Incon FRA, Chara cannot harm Sage and Sage cannot stop Chara from LOADing over and over.
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I'm really sorry, but, if I may ask, what does ad infinitum pertain to, so to speak? And, how do the verses get there?
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A number that increases infinitely, while still being finite.
Undertale through the game world being able to hold as much timeline are generated from the resets, even if those are made over and over with no end.
Sonic is because of Maginaryworld, which is a place where each being's dream becomes an universe, and from those dream universes more dream universes get generated in this chain which constantly increases.
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Ninja'd but
An ever-expanding finite number
Many-Worlds Theory (where every action or inaction creates a separate timeline), cosmologies with things such as Sonic's Maginaryworld and Mario's Dream Depot, basically things that ensure the creation of new timelines always persist
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Also, Inconclusive FRA. Sage won't be able to permanently deal with Chara even if she knows what's most effective through simulations, while Chara doesn't have the means to interact with her nor the AP to harm her.
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This is honestly bs because Chara from their own are AE1. I am not saying they can harm Sage but this is blatant misinformation.
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Still curious that both Sonic and Mario both scale to MWT dreams which gives them both absurd AP in 2-B it must be fate.
Yup I'm leaning on incon here too Chara can just SAVE/LOAD indefinitely while Sage can just one tap them but she can't permanently incap and Chara severely lacks any major offensive options to overcome the massive AP disadvantage.
Yup I'm leaning on incon here too Chara can just SAVE/LOAD indefinitely while Sage can just one tap them but she can't permanently incap and Chara severely lacks any major offensive options to overcome the massive AP disadvantage.
ShakeResounding
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Oh yeah that slipped my mind, don't mind me
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Thank you for informing me! That makes sense, now.
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Incon FRA
