Tomura Shigaraki vs Danny Phantom Redux

[LordGriffin1000]

Let's go! Yup, I'm doing this match again since Danny went through several revisions but now it's a bit different given he's in a different key but possesses an ability that will even the fight quickly. Regardless, let's do this!

The Symbol of Fear vs The Saviour of the Ghost Zone

Match Rules

• Both in Character
• Speed is Equalized
• All for One Tomura
• Season 1 Danny (8-A/Pre Fright Knight)
• Starting Distance: 100 meters

AP Difference:

Tomura: 638 Megatons of TNT

Danny: 533.70 Tons of TNT

Note: Tomura has a 1,195,252.59463 times AP advantage. Though it should be noted that Danny's Reactive Evolution took him from 8-A to 6-C when he fought the Fright Knight so he could match him. So it will buff him to Shigaraki's level in about a minute or two when they fight so the AP gap isn't a real factor as it will be equalled out.

Votes

Tomura Shigaraki:

Danny Phantom: 8 (Maitreya, LordGriffin1000, SuperStar, Peppersalt43, XSOULOFSINDERX, Artorimachi Meteoraft, TheKillerYT, RandomGuy2345,

Inconclusive:

 

[Maitreya12]

Ok so since speed is equal Danny really should have no trouble avoiding Shiggy’s main move of decay since 1) he can fly and 2) he can become intangible. His body is essentially not physical as well so Tomura can’t really touch him at all.

This being season 1 Danny means he’s missing out on a good chunk of abilities line the ghostly wail and his ice powers which would be useful but even without either one he still has the ability to win via possessions. His reactive evolution will also kick in and very much bridge the insane AP gap too so Shigaraki’s other advantages won’t be useful here either.

The fight seems like it would play out more in Danny’s favor than not.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Ok so since speed is equal Danny really should have no trouble avoiding Shiggy’s main move of decay since 1) he can fly and 2) he can become intangible. His body is essentially not physical as well so Tomura can’t really touch him at all.

This being season 1 Danny means he’s missing out on a good chunk of abilities line the ghostly wail and his ice powers which would be useful but even without either one he still has the ability to win via possessions. His reactive evolution will also kick in and very much bridge the insane AP gap too so Shigaraki’s other advantages won’t be useful here either.

The fight seems like it would play out more in Danny’s favor than not.

So that's a vote for Danny?

 

[Maitreya12]

So that's a vote for Danny?

Yes since it seems like he has more win cons and can essentially mitigate all wincons Tomura has.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Yes since it seems like he has more win cons and can essentially mitigate all wincons Tomura has.

Problem is that while a minute or two doesn’t seem that long these characters are HHS+ (Equal speed), in a few seconds and they could have wrecked this entire place.
another is that Danny has to play PERFECT, as to not get killed.
Tomura is superior to Nine in all physical stats (So he is scaling to the 748 megaton value). None of Danny’s abilities really outright deny Tomura doing them but better, Danny would have to be corporeal to attack would he not? physically atleast, (don’t know how ghost energy operates in Danny Phantom.) and Either attack option Leaves him open to impact recoil (physical attacks are sent back) or reflect (energy attacks are sent back). And his regeneration can keep him from dying when he’s roasted alive, beaten by someone who breaks all his bones in one hit, and then another beating from heroes including Flashfire fists from endeavor which are what nearly turned him to ash before, Danny being equal isn’t going to cut it
Danny doesn’t resist illusions either (no references on his profile) and Tomura causes visions of death with his presence alone, just him existing can take fighters out.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Problem is that while a minute or two doesn’t seem that long these characters are HHS+ (Equal speed), in a few seconds and they could have wrecked this entire place.

Considering Danny's abilities such as Intangibility, Body Control, and Regeneration would allow him to survive that long without too much trouble.

another is that Danny has to play PERFECT, as to not get killed.

Get killed from what? He won't die until his stamina/energy runs out because that's when he'll return to his human form.

Tomura is superior to Nine in all physical stats (So he is scaling to the 748 megaton value).

Yes, but that won't last for long. Plus, it took a minute to two when he evolved to the Fright Knight who is Island level+. Shgaraki is Mountain level+ so it's going be a shorter time than when he evolved against the Fright Knight.

None of Danny’s abilities really outright deny Tomura doing them but better, Danny would have to be corporeal to attack would he not? physically atleast, (don’t know how ghost energy operates in Danny Phantom.) and Either attack option Leaves him open to impact recoil (physical attacks are sent back) or reflect (energy attacks are sent back).

Danny has multiple abilities to deny Tomura from killing him right from the start and only for physical attacks does Danny need to become tangible to hit his target and even then that's when he's in his true ghost state. The intangibility ghosts can use as a power still allows them to come into contact with others while remaining intangible (though Danny doesn't spam intangibility, he does use it). Danny's ecto sheilds do the same thing as impact recoil and reflect so they have that in common.

And his regeneration can keep him from dying when he’s roasted alive, beaten by someone who breaks all his bones in one hit, and then another beating from heroes including Flashfire fists from endeavor which are what nearly turned him to ash before, Danny being equal isn’t going to cut it

True, Mid regeneration is something he can't beat through brute force but ectoplasmic energy effects things on a molecular level and vaporizes so there is that.

Danny doesn’t resist illusions either (no references on his profile) and Tomura causes visions of death with his presence alone, just him existing can take fighters out.

That's pretty useless since Danny has resistance to mind and casting visions of illusions of death won't be a factor since he's already dead. No illusion Tomura visually puts in his mind will have any real effect other than showing him get killed by something he'll regenerate from. There was a reason this wasn't a factor in their previous match.

 

[Maitreya12]

Problem is that while a minute or two doesn’t seem that long these characters are HHS+ (Equal speed), in a few seconds and they could have wrecked this entire place.

Yeah but bear in mind that it also means Danny’s reactive evolution kicks in just as fast which bridges any stat gap between him and Tomura.

another is that Danny has to play PERFECT, as to not get killed.
Tomura is superior to Nine in all physical stats (So he is scaling to the 748 megaton value). None of Danny’s abilities really outright deny Tomura doing them but better, Danny would have to be corporeal to attack would he not? physically atleast, (don’t know how ghost energy operates in Danny Phantom.) and Either attack option Leaves him open to impact recoil

Not really? Danny can outright avoid Shigaraki’s main win con just by flying which forces him to have to physically touch Danny. Which is essentially impossible against a character like Danny since he really has no physical body and can turn completely intangible. He can also still fire energy blasts even while intangible plus he can possess people which Shigaraki has no answer for either, especially when it’s in conjunction with his invisibility which we know can trip up Tomura.

It’s also important to note that even if Shigaraki does touch Danny to activate decay it might not even work since Danny has quite literally had his body be turned into liquid goo and then splattered on the ground only for Danny to reform with no issue whatsoever.

(physical attacks are sent back) or reflect (energy attacks are sent back). And his regeneration can keep him from dying when he’s roasted alive, beaten by someone who breaks all his bones in one hit, and then another beating from heroes including Flashfire fists from endeavor which are what nearly turned him to ash before, Danny being equal isn’t going to cut it

What about possessing his body outright?

Danny doesn’t resist illusions either (no references on his profile) and Tomura causes visions of death with his presence alone, just him existing can take fighters out.

Danny has resisted mind control before and it especially seems like Tomura’s visions (which from what I recall is more done out of fear of Tomura, kind of like Stain did) isn’t something that’s new to Danny, especially when he’s gone up against characters like fright night.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

It’s also important to note that even if Shigaraki does touch Danny to activate decay it might not even work since Danny has quite literally had his body be turned into liquid goo and then splattered on the ground only for Danny to reform with no issue whatsoever.

If that’s the case Tomura can’t win if his Regen is mid high

What about possessing his body outright?

Tomura resisted possession before

Danny has resisted mind control before and it especially seems like Tomura’s visions (which from what I recall is more done out of fear of Tomura, kind of like Stain did) isn’t something that’s new to Danny, especially when he’s gone up against characters like fright night.

He did it from waking up

 

[Peppersalt43]

Tomura resisted possession before

Isn't he still possessed by AFO until the last arc?

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Just to point this out since it doesn't seem to be clear regarding Danny's physiology.

Firstly, Danny mainly remains in a physical solid state in battle so Tomura will be able to touch him unless Danny activates his intangibility. Secondly, Decay will work but Danny will regenerate, however this was already addressed in the previous match up and many others, which is the fact that Danny can't regenerate forever and eventually he'll waste too much energy and stamina then revert to his human form.

If that’s the case Tomura can’t win if his Regen is mid high

Read my comment above. I explained that Danny's regeneration is stamina/energy based.

Tomura resisted possession before

Danny can effect people with resistance to possession.

He did it from waking up

Does that really change anything.

Not really? Danny can outright avoid Shigaraki’s main win con just by flying which forces him to have to physically touch Danny. Which is essentially impossible against a character like Danny since he really has no physical body and can turn completely intangible. He can also still fire energy blasts even while intangible plus he can possess people which Shigaraki has no answer for either, especially when it’s in conjunction with his invisibility which we know can trip up Tomura.

Danny has a phyical form most of the time in combat, though he can alter it but it's mainly physical.

It’s also important to note that even if Shigaraki does touch Danny to activate decay it might not even work since Danny has quite literally had his body be turned into liquid goo and then splattered on the ground only for Danny to reform with no issue whatsoever.

That will waste stamina/energy since it's a consciousnes effort so he can't keep doing it forever.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

Isn't he still possessed by AFO until the last arc?

Cause he can’t really get out of it?
All for one (the quirk) can’t kill vestiges inside it’s realm, so the AFO quirk parasite trying to fuse with him is essentially stuck there.

Just to point this out since it doesn't seem to be clear regarding Danny's physiology.

Firstly, Danny mainly remains in a physical solid state in battle so Tomura will be able to touch him unless Danny activates his intangibility. Secondly, Decay will work but Danny will regenerate, however this was already addressed in the previous match up and many others, which is the fact that Danny can't regenerate forever and eventually he'll waste too much energy and stamina then revert to his human form.

K, it’s been too long since the last thread lol

Danny can effect people with resistance to possession.

Given that he has supernatural will from it, and Tomura’s supernatural will let’s him come back from literal death, I have a hunch he might be ok.

Does that really change anything.

makes it less of a conscious effort?
just an annoyance more than anything

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Given that he has supernatural will from it, and Tomura’s supernatural will let’s him come back from literal death, I have a hunch he might be ok.

That depends, Shigaraki's Supernatural Willpower looks superior to Danny's but that doesn't completely negate the possesion, it just stops Danny from hijacking his mind. And he can keep at it since we seen his abilities and resistances grow in effectiveness as well so he could lilely overcome Shigaraki's resistance.

makes it less of a conscious effort?
just an annoyance more than anything

Fair enough.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

That depends, Shigaraki's Supernatural Willpower looks superior to Danny's but that doesn't completely negate the possesion, it just stops Danny from hijacking his mind. And he can keep at it since we seen his abilities and resistances grow in effectiveness as well so he could lilely overcome Shigaraki's resistance.

IDK AFO has been trying to take over Shigaraki’s Mind for awhile now.

of yeah AFO, I’m not good at explaining so go to the thread of that time someone tried to put Yu form charlotte against AFO and read the section of Kings statements about what would happen if Yu tried mind control. Best I can give to you

 

[LordGriffin1000]

IDK AFO has been trying to take over Shigaraki’s Mind for awhile now.

of yeah AFO, I’m not good at explaining so go to the thread of that time someone tried to put Yu form charlotte against AFO and read the section of Kings statements about what would happen if Yu tried mind control. Best I can give to you

But Danny's possession already is layered. Just because AFO continues to try doesn't mean Shigaraki's resistance is stacked, just that it's above the threshold AFO can achive. I'm not saying Danny's going to outright be successful on the first attempt but he should end up overcoming it.

 

[Mapl3Sy4up]

But Danny's possession already is layered. Just because AFO continues to try doesn't mean Shigaraki's resistance is stacked, just that it's above the threshold AFO can achive. I'm not saying Danny's going to outright be successful on the first attempt but he should end up overcoming it.

The second part of what AFO kinda does is more important

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump, lets continue the discussion

 

[LordGriffin1000]

The second part of what AFO kinda does is more important

What second part? Unless it protects him against layered mind control, I don't see him lasting long against Danny's possession even with his higher willpower. Not to mention, if Danny sees Tomura is putting up a strong fight over his mind, he can still control his body bological (on a molecular level) and spiritually. So Tomura will need resistance to those as well.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump, lets continue the discussion

 

[Maitreya12]

Bump, lets continue the discussion

In what way? Pretty sure Danny has more viable win conditions here.

 

[Peppersalt43]

In what way? Pretty sure Danny has more viable win conditions here.

@Acer__ or another MHA supporter hasn't yielded yet. I'd prefer a confirmation, or a vote

 

[Peppersalt43]

Anyway, bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[Maitreya12]

It’s still Danny.

Much better options for him to win

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I'll write up my own vote when I get the chance.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

For my analysis and reasonings for my vote, click the SPOILER tag below.

Spoiler

Tomura Shigaraki Analysis

Main Win Conditions

Tomura's win condition is to use his superior stamina to try and outlast Danny. This is possible, as Tomura starts out with a hefty power advantage, and while he can't actually deal harm to Danny, he still can "damage" his body while it's in a physical form (which it almost always is). This will force Danny to reform himself and thus waste energy doing so, and this can also be accomplished with Decay as well.

Supportive Advantages

Search will allow Tomura to know Danny's location so sneak attacks using invisibility and such are out. Tomura's rage power and quirks that allow him to amp himself will help him counter Danny's amps once the later reaches his level. Reflect would also allow him to send Danny's energy attacks back at him and since those carry ectoplasmic energy, they can actually cause Danny harm.

Tomura's supernatural willpower and resistance to possession will allow him to resist Danny's attempt to Overshadow him but only for a time, as Danny's possession has been shown to be layered and his own supernatural willpower can counter. Wings and Air Walk would also allow him to keep up with Danny in air combat.

Finally Tomura's fear inducement would be an annoyance but I wouldn't bet on it being a deciding factor as Danny has resistance to mind based stuff, and even though it's Tomura's presence that's causing it, it's still effecting the targets mind. Given Danny's own supernatural willpower and the fact that he's already a ghost, the visions of death shouldn't be a heavy issue

Danny Phantom Analysis

Main Win Conditions

Danny's main win conditions are holding out until his Reactive Evolution buffs him to Tomura's level of power and using his energy attacks that work on a molecular level to overpower Tomura's level of regeneration. Given how fast Danny's statistics increased against the Fright Knight (who is 6-C+) it wont take much time for Danny to reach Tomura (who is 7-A+). The real issue is getting a solid hit on Tomura do to his Reflect and Scatter quirk.

Another win condition is Danny Overshadowing him. While Tomura has supernatural willpower/resistance to possession, Danny has his own supernatural willpower and layered possession, plus his reactive evolution makes his abilities more effective as shown when him and Sidney had a long struggle during his first attemp at Overshadowing Danny but during the second attemp, Danny reversed it in seconds without issue.

Supportive Advantages

Ghost Physiology gives Danny several good abilities such as intangibility and body control which can help him avoid Tomura's attacks (though Danny doesn't spam intangibility), he has several ways to amp so once he's on Tomura's level, he can counter the later's amps with his own and it should be noted that Danny's amp ectoplasmic energy amp has allowed him to tare through people comparable to himself.

Danny has his own ways to block and reflect ranged attacks with his ecto shields which can stop attacks well above Danny's level without issue. His regeneration will also allow him to hold out for some time but it's stamina based sto the moment he gets tired/loses enough energy, he'll revert back into his human form and can be killed.

My Vote

It's an interesting fight overall in my opinion, and I'm going say Danny pulls out win in the end.

My Reasons

Tomura's arsenal gives him a shot at taking down Danny, and he has the stamina to hold out longer. Danny's overconfidence can also be factored in but Danny's versatility thanks to his Ghost Physiology makes him capable of surviving the short time needed to get the buff from his Reactive Evolution and get serious.

Danny's also not lacking in the stamina department so he wont go down extremely fast. He may not spam intangibility but body control is something he does a lot, and while Tomura's Reflect makes it hard for Danny to vaporize him on a molecular level. I see Danny landing a possession that will overcome Tomura's resistance.

It should also be noted that multiple ghosts can overshadow a single entity so All For One being inside Tomura as well wouldn't hinder Danny's possession, plus possession in Danny Phantom allows ghosts to interact with the users subconscious/spirit so he might even be able to blast All For One's visage.

Either way, I think Danny can pull off a win faster than Tomura.

 

[SuperStar]

Going with Danny FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

Dan the Ghost FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

Bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

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[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Danny FRA.

 

[Peppersalt43]

Cool

 

[Peppersalt43]

Anyway, bump

 

[Peppersalt43]

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[Peppersalt43]

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