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  1. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Matthew My point isn't about scale every god or every mayan god to Thor level or Odin level. Even that the skyfather of Mayan Gods is more powerful than Thor, as any skyfather is more powerful than any god, as Thor or Hercules. Hunab Ku(SF) is more powerful than Thor, and this isn't debatable...
  2. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Classic Determining the power level of Odin and Surtur, you can scale RKT better 1) I know that this thread is about RKT, but scale of others gods and beings interfere in conclusion of this post, like the scale of "Destroyer". Add the point of Gods(SF) be at least 2-A, likely low 1-C is the...
  3. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    Current system work with destruction of higher realms or higher dimensions considering this point. The description of infinite higher is only an additional. The point of "infinite higher" is applicable to Asgard: The higher realms exist above(beyond) the normal measure of time and space or even...
  4. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    And these mentions about higher planes are coherent with description of Mayan Gods with at least 11D.
  5. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Ant I remember Ultima saying that this description about "infinite higher" when are higher planes or higher dimensions isn't required. And Ultima helped the development of current system(?). This is the point: Live in higher dimensions or higher planes not determine his power level, but destroy...
  6. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Classic I know that upgrade of skyfathers was rejected, in part because of what I said before: You(Not you, but everyone here) created an limit tier to SF feats= 2-C. And every feat higher than 2-C is distorced to be 2-C or ignored. But the point is: In current system Destroy or Create an...
  7. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Antvasima You don't insult me(You ignore my comments about possibility of 2-A / Low 1-C, even disagreeing of this, for now is enough), but others make provocations. And you are supporting this kind of insult or provocation. As what Matthew made now and before. Impartiality to both sides, not...
  8. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Antvasima This isn't motive to insult me or someone here. This insults or provocations are part of problem in this thread, and must stop. The side isn't is important. You know!
  9. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    Matthew need stop with provocations in this thread, what I said isn't to none here. But he can stop with provocations? Analyze
  10. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

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  11. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    I believe that Yggdrasil is all multiverse. In other moment, with a blog and better revision, upgrade to higher level. But scale RKThor, and Gods of Gods to 2-C|2-A only is nonsense, when you saw that them exist outside Marvel-Multiverse. This isn't debatable.
  12. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    I believe that Yggdrasin, and Odin could be Low 1-C Considering that Asgard exist an higher plane(Some mentions about multi-dimensional system of Gods are about more of 10D), 2-A considering only "Universes", and Low 1-C considering that higher planes. Yggdrasil: At Least 2-A, likely Low 1-C
  13. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    @Antvasima Odin(Weakened) can affect every plane of existence(Considering that this is only "universes") This is 2-A feat(Exist an infinite number of planes of existences) - And in many moments, Asgardians are showed coming from higher dimension(higher plane, as I showed in my last comment)...
  14. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade - Part 4

    Marvel is really more popular than Dc, but 90% of Marvel Fans don't know 5% of Marvel Universe, or only know the basic. Dc has an system in many forms more simple, you have a Multiverse Map. On Marvel you need read many and many comics to understand as realms scale. Is true that Marvel isn't...
  15. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    "Explanation" using only your opinion about this. Looks like you only want to downplay everything, even using what don't exist or simply using your own opinion. Even Hykuu, or NESfan, showed arguments, that even if I'm disagreeing, they had some base to comment. But Matthew looks like is only...
  16. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    ClassicNESfan only expose one version about this, you really think that use the version of NESfan is coherent? The problems in arguments of NESfan are: 1- Norns don't scale with LTis not the same that Norns can't affect the multiverse. Was posted in last thread, scans about Norns control the...
  17. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    To who want read: Incredible Hercules #132 : "To reach your destination, you must find the great Ash Yggdrasil, The World Tree- The Norse form of Axis".
  18. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    Sorry Matthew, I'm not here to debate "you opinion about events", the events show that Axis World have different forms, this differents forms are used to acess others dimensions or even the form that this represent, as Atlas, and Yggdrasil. Your argument is based in yourself and can't be taken...
  19. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    This is an argument, everything here are arguments, any system need discussion and debate to don't create partiality. This don't change only Earth history, changed history of Marvel universe, creating a new possible future, controlling the history, and even entities like Phoenix to create this...
  20. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    Even when White Phoenix was created in events involving the axis world? Or in description of handbook about Axis World be Infinite? Or even when Hercules use Axis World to access others dimensions that are conected by Yggdrasil, going to Yggdrasil? What you said no make sense. Sorry.
  21. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    Matthew, this is your word against what Incredible Hercules showed... Or you are ignoring Hercules showing Axis World in form of Yggdrasil? And in others forms?
  22. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    @Prince The "Falling into the Nether Regions of time and space" was the form of Asgard being represented as falling into a lower dimension(The Negative Zone). There are others mentions in Thor vol 1 and 2 about Asgard existing in a Higher Dimensional Space or in "Higher Plane of existence"...
  23. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    Exist points that are out context in their arguments Hykuu. In Loki's comics, Loki begins the narrative before King Loki comes out of creation, the comics make mention of higher narratives, and in others moments, Loki makes the universe believe what he wants. Mikaboshi don't need "gain more...
  24. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    @Antvsima What Dr.Strange said about "galaxies", don't change what was said about the multiverse. "I sense a great upheaval which is tearing at the very fabric of the multiverse" Strange was talking about the threat of Seth to Yggdrasil. In this context, Yggdrasil is the nexus of "all planes"...
  25. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    In "Thor Corps", also made by Tom DeFalco, we also have another work that deals theplanes of realitys as the multiverse , and affecting Eternity itself .
  26. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    Tom DeFalco has some works around the multiverse in Thor's comics, even with higher dimensions. He is the author of both Seth sagas, which takes place during Thor vol 1, and the Seth saga that takes place during the Journey into Mystery, before Thor vol 2. Basically, in the classic ones, we have...
  27. Driger-God

    Marvel Comics: Possible Yggdrasil Upgrade (Staff only)

    I'm late here. Matthew, you make mentions to The World Forger. The World Forger wasn't one of those who were benefited with the use of many past comics to "Ignore" current cosmology? Hyukuu, Ginnungagap is what existed before creation, not only the "9 realms". When gods, and even Surtur and...
  28. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    Monica never "overpowered" an entity of outside. You are taking an scene out of context, in this issue C.Beyonder is stated as stronger than Monica, in moments before this , C.Beyonder comment about be infinitely above Monica . You should stop forcing "inconsistency" in the Marvel Universe...
  29. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    Ant, you are misrepresenting the discussion and idea of consistency that yourself impose, you don't want that story that don't have relation with Ragnarok (2004) to be used, but you use any anti-feat that don't have relation with Thor or any Thor story to downplay every feat of Thor (This happen...
  30. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    Ant, you are wrong about Balder. Balder tell to Loki about Lokis in multiverse, the same is said by Karnilla when shows what exist beyond the of Asgard realm, and in this comics, everything is connected by Yggdrasil. Loki was Low 1-A when he have the stories of multiverse, Current Loki don't...
  31. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    Norns don't have scale to Low 1/A or 1/A The Tree have, the feat is of Yggdrasil.
  32. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    @Peter Doctor Strange is 2-C because of how they(Gods, Demons, and Angels) are scaled here. Demons, gods, and angels even with the description through time like higher dimensional beings, and are victims of fallacious about inconsistency. But it's something far from being what's being discussed.
  33. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    Yes, but afterwards he was able to restore the magically energy that was drained from earth back to the planet and to the wizard's snd witches. I think he should scale, knowing he could do that. Restore the Earth energy(Magic) don't have relation with Yggdrasil "True". The greatest feat in this...
  34. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    You are forcing a illogical point. Marvel have "beings" to work as the idea of something. Fate|Norns are the representation of destiny in Marvel, like Destiny(Dc).
  35. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    Fate are represented to make the destiny of every things, gods, realms, and normal being. Why you believe that "Fate" is not about her? Is the same that time concept(idea) be different of time itself. And when talk about time, the abstract is something apart.
  36. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    Strange only take a part of Yggdrasil power in Asgard(616)
  37. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    @Antvasima Marvel use "Fate" as name to Norns,and the representation of Norns in Marvel Universe|Multiverse is to make the story. This representation is coherent with the function demonstrated in this issue. About "Marvel Inconsistency", is fallacious to use this argument when you don't have...
  38. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    @ClassicNESfan Nobody was "mad" with you, when you said that Yggdrasil was represented like "9 planets" in space, I questioned, I have knowledge about each "age" of Norse Gods. The Nine Realms in Marvel have always worked as different dimensions, when you write, you use many of "appeal to...
  39. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    Surtur can't scale to Yggdrasil Surtur is part of Yggdrasil, the problem here is that you think that Yggdrasil don't have manifestation of himself in each universe, Norns|Fates use Yggdrasil to write the storie, and even Surtur was showed to be part of this "storie". Odin too is part of...
  40. Driger-God

    Upgrade Yggdrasil/RKT/TWSAIS

    When realms were described as planets? I don't remember of "realms" be only planets. In Journey Into Mystery realms exist in different dimension, and time and space. Thor vol 1, 2, 3 work with realms in other dimensional planes, even in handbook, the description of Yggdrasil is tend to more of 9...
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