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  1. ThatDude343

    How powerful is the Smooze?

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  2. ThatDude343

    How powerful is the Smooze?

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  3. ThatDude343

    How powerful is the Smooze?

    Not many feats outside of completing nullifying Alicorn magic, is he one of MLP's top tiers?
  4. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic Revision Thread Part 3

    The moment when Twilight is able to freely manipulate the magic of Friendship without the elements is when she becomes the strongest Alicorn (and arguably most powerful individual being in the series). Through the logic of the scaling it's literally almost laughable to refute, she's literally...
  5. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Oh okay, I wasn't sure if this was already discussed seeing as it's still being used in the scaling process.
  6. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Speaking of outliers, I'm starting to think the fact that Tirek never got to access his fourth form is an outlier. Thus, we shouldn't use it to determine how strong Chrysalis is. Think about it: in S4, what it took for Tirek to access his third form was just going around different locations and...
  7. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Yup, atleast when it's Twilight, it's very evident that she has some trouble taking hits. The highest raw durability we've seen is Tirek literally no-selling Star Swirl's attack. In 26, Twilight managed to drop him. The only time when Tirek ever used a shield was 4x Alicorn Twilight's large...
  8. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Off the top of my head: Crystal Empire Shadow Play and there's 1 more where a unicorn does it that i forget, if it's really necessary. I can find it
  9. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    That's only a problem if you think that Attack Potency should equal Durability, something I've been against for the longest time.
  10. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Again, I don't know how you are interpreting that reaction as a sign of fear when it is very audibly and visually a grimace. I guess the only way to prove it would be looking at the transcript for the actual episode. The villians were an ultimate threat together, whether they like it or not...
  11. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Twilight is expending mental energy to keep the shield up, she doesn't need to be in contact with it to feel pain. We've seen this in the show before.
  12. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Twilight's yelp in "fear" looked really evidently to me as a cry of pain. I really disagree on the idea that Chrysalis' words made the difference and I don't know what's the problem with that. However, I'm getting off track to my original point. If this scenario comes up again, I'd be willing to...
  13. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    except using Dark magic in MLP doesn't make spells weaker. rewatch the scene, Chrysalis' horn glows green and electricity pulses from her hooves. She clearly did something.
  14. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    We've never seen Twilight's magic turn green on dependent on what she's feeling, I don't think any character has had their magic hue change color dependent on emotions. You still could be on to something though, but what does that really change in this scenario? That would imply that neither...
  15. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Tbh, now that I think about it, is there really any problem saying Starlight is stronger than Celestia based off the scaling? I'm geuninely curious. I am certain it would look really weird for a veteran alicorn god of the sun to be outmatched by a glorified secretary, but if the feats speak for...
  16. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    Of course it does because we are using the shield as a metric for determining Chrysalis was stronger in the first place. Bell Chrysalis > S9E25 Twilight > Cozy Glow In shows that is about fighting and combat in general, that would be agreeable. This isn't Dragon Ball. Shows like Batman and MLP...
  17. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    It can't be disproven going both ways. Remember, Tirek in his fourth form had the magic of Discord. And we know damn well what happended when Cozy tried to absorb Discord's magic. It's like alicorn steriods. It's a possibility that 1/3 of Grogar's Bell is enough power to surpass that of a...
  18. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    The means of how the shield was broken are irrelevant, the fact is Chrysalis could while Cozy couldn't. You never differientiated between planner villian and combat villian, you just said final villian. Which again goes towards my point that they never were equals as to which you are...
  19. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    The fact that Twilight's half dome shield deflected Cozy's blast easily while Chrysalis practically obliterated her full dome is a good indictator, especially if you believe that Grogar's bell was divided equally among the three. He probably could, but that's beside the point. Final villian =/=...
  20. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    What?? Twilight said keep telling yourself that in retort to Cozy saying that that they don't use their heads. Twilight knew that it was some kind of trap and that any attempt of using her magic would be suicidal. She just saw what happended to the other princesses. They needed to close the...
  21. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    The main point in contention for the Bell Chrysalis vs. Love-absorbed Chrysalis debacle is the idea that LA Chrysalis was able to defeat Celestia w/ high diff, while Bell Chrysalis defeated Starlight with seemingly only mid diff. The problem would arisen from the scenario where if you were to...
  22. ThatDude343

    My Little Pony FiM Revision Thread (Warning: Season 9 Spoilers) [Part 2]

    This idea that Bell Cozy is somehow an equal for Base Alicorn Twilight is absolutely insane. 1. Twilight never got a chance to fight Cozy in the throne room alone. Celestia gives her a futile warning in which she retorts with a magic blast that Twilight's half dome shrugs off. Immediately...
  23. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    Gravity applies, but most telekinesis in the show is applied on an already static object. This one was in the process of falling already. It can't be an outlier because there is nothing to be disproven about the physical strain. There was an assumption made that she strained because the bear was...
  24. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    External factors like gravity? Twilight stopping the wagon during momentum? It can't be an outlier. He flailed his arms and took a couple of steps during the time in the song where they piled on one another.
  25. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    That can easily be explained by him not getting far whilst he's absorbing the magic. He can't fight and absorb magic at the same time and he would need to deal with the onslaught of Royal Guard at these vital moments. Also, his first interaction with Discord was literally him at his weakest. The...
  26. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    This is all deriving from the absurd claim of how Tirek "wouldn't" be able to absorb PoS's magic. Something that hasn't been proven like this makes the playing field more blurred. I can understand Tirek at his weakest form not being able to storm up to the Princesses and Discord and draining...
  27. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    You're basically saying that regardless of individual strength, physical strain will only be shown through telekinesis via weight. Which again, is false. In Magic Duel, Twilight shows strain to stop a wagon. Clearly a wagon isn't heavier than an Ursa Minor and we've seen Twilight effortlessly...
  28. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    You missed the point. The idea was that there was visible evidence that there was a physical strain from Twilight to lift the Ursa Minor. You implied that telekinesis could be used on stronger opponents regardless of any other external factors which is not true.
  29. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    Weight and Mass = Power. There's no differentiation. The more powerful you are, effects what you can and cannot lift. Discord individually is more powerful than Celestia and Luna which is why he is able to move both the sun and moon with his magic.
  30. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    Unicorn Twilight showed us in Season 1 that there is a certain level of physical ability needed to use telekinesis on stronger opponents. She was barely/struggled to be able to lift the Ursa Minor after it stopped resisting. There was clearly some stress present. If Chrysalis is able to...
  31. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    The first time see Tirek draining Chrysalis' magic he never asked for permission. He casually did it. There's no reason for us to believe that he was stronger than Chrysalis in that current state, seeing as she did most of the heavy lifting during the Trek to the top of the mountain and had...
  32. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    The most prominent example of a character displaying different AP and durability is the interaction between the Roc and Spike in "Molt Down". The Roc tanked multiple blasts from an Alicorn Twilight and was unscatched, if we go by your logic in scaling that would make the Roc's AP and Durability...
  33. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    It's highly probable for it to be PIS, and here's why. The entire schtick and gimmick for Season 4 was "What's in the box?". That concept was spread as a full season arc and pushed heavily by the writers and the MLP marketing team. In the finale, that entire arc needed to be fully wrapped up...
  34. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    Tirek imbued with a fraction of Grogar (in a weaker state)'s magic was clearly able to drain Chrysalis of some of her magic with her full attention and without consent, before stopping for whatever reason.
  35. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    How are artifacts different, they have the same scaling and are judged by the same criteria as the characters. Otherwise, why give them durability/AP feats at all?
  36. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    Unless the entirety of Equestria is more powerful than Discord, there is no statement that proves that to be true. The reason why Tirek didn't absorb Twilight's magic in their fight? Easily PIS.
  37. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    Pretty sure Tirek would be able to absorb his darkness magic, eventually he'll absorb enough to either use and manipulate it like he did when he absorbed Discord's chaos magic.
  38. ThatDude343

    The Pony of Shadows vs Lord Tirek

    It isn't "officially" anything. By that logic, Flurry Heart's durability is also Star Level due to the AP of the Crystal Heart.
  39. ThatDude343

    King Sombra vs. Starswirl the Bearded (Concluded)

    I'm honestly surprised that the voting for this matchup is this close. Yes, Star Swirl is the greatest Unicorn of all time, but he lacks the necessary feats (specifically combat related feats) needed make me actually believe he would have a shot at beating Sombra. Most of the reasonings I've...
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