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  1. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Still playing through mother2, but Alvis has said before that the monado, and by extension Ether Controlls the material and immatieral (look on shulk's profile for proof)
  2. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    As for his vision's being reality warping Kellex https://youtu.be/MWj1A39XQT8?t=5h10m54s watch this cutscene
  3. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    That's why I said NoahKai, i'll be completing earthbound this week to have a fully informed opinon, I'll be back with my final thoughts, all the proof you could possibly want, and an informed unbiased opinon.
  4. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Now I'm done on this thread for now.
  5. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    also yeah his precognition comes from his reality warping.... it's literally stated by alvis.
  6. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Actually last things. Noah you're rude, and my points make perfect sense, play xenoblade before you make accusations. Don't most of Ness' feats and abilities from his game come from Game Mechanics lmao? Shulk doesn't even have to wait his turn in XC since it's not turnbased lol. Zanza is not...
  7. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Well, i'll do this, I'll finish my run through of Earthbound this week, and come back with my final thoughts, until then I'm done debating for a while since i can't convince you, It would be easier if you played the game
  8. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    How does Ness's Nigh-Omniscience help him when it clearly relates only to beings/things in his own universe?
  9. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Shulk one shot him with the monado lll, i wouldn't call that help. Yes shulk's abilities effect others lol... I'm not really using in-game-mechanics outside of mentioning purge's in-game effect. These are all from cutscenes. He recognizes it BECAUSE HE CAN READ LOL.
  10. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Ness's Nigh-Omniscents doesn't make self on it's own going by in game logic as he can still miss attacks (which this logic is used in most of his profile) Even if this was not the case wouldn't this pertain to ONLY his universe, and not beings from other universes? The Monado, is what disrupts...
  11. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    For reason number 2. HE LITERALLY UNLOCKS THESE POWERS THROUGH BENDING REALITY Zanza didn't know about the symbol before Shulk Activated it(Shulk ruined Zanza's Visions)... He see's the Symbol of God, and he reacts to it. It can cut through things lesser than God too... Look at the monado...
  12. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Also if shulk didn't want to change the universe he would have accepted the fate that had befell it and left it stagnat, all he mayneth, and his friends. wanted was a world with no need for gods.
  13. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    1. The monado bends to shulks will, as stated by Alvis. 2. The monado can effect the material and immaterial, that's where the monado's arts come from, thus Purge Speed etc. are reality warps. Unless you're telling me Sharla and Reyn's bodies instinctivly dodging on their own (As seen in the...
  14. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    I get your point, but I still just don't understand how being able to see the fate, existance, and everything that will every happen to the universe and its inhabitants wouldn't be considered a form of nigh-omniscents. Or at least extremly close to it. Also not sure if this helps, but Zanza...
  15. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    1. didn't say he has time manipulation, I meant that ether is what makes the building blocks of the universe which should include time and space. "The material and immaterial" 2. I do remember that, I've beaten the game, yes he does not want to become a god, but that doesn't relate to his...
  16. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    It should be heavily implied, he was able to know the moment of his revival which was thousands of millions of years in the future since his battle with mayneth (The near beginning of the universe)
  17. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    I'm pretty sure it fits with the definition of nigh-omniscient. If you can see everything that has ever and will ever happen with in the universe you would in theory know everything.
  18. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    If you're trying to tell me shulk hasn't used Reailty warping in fights, you'd be wrong (especially since that's where his vision's come from). He has spared (egil) and tried to spare (Metal Face). But the point is mute, as he still fought them, and defeated them. He has killed, and he will...
  19. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    "Shulk rarley uses reality warping and it's against his character" Actually wrong. Most of his abilities come from warping reality as it's what the monado does, it alters the flow of time and space/building blocks of the universe(ether). It's not against his character at all, shulk isn't as...
  20. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    So doesn't that mean shulk whomps.
  21. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Shulk has powerful reality warping.
  22. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    Can you explain how being able to peer into a thing that dictates EVERYTHING in the universe wouldn't make him nigh-omniscent tho? I'm failing to understand.
  23. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Anyway. What does ness have for reality warping??
  24. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    Sorry dude wrong thread wasn't looking lmao i'll delete
  25. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    I'm working on it. Also Noah, Zanza's visions let him see into the passage of fate (The thing that dictates everything that happens in the universe). Thus he would logically be nigh-omniscent
  26. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Keep in mind, Zanza (it's not on his profile YET) but could see into the passage of fate (which made him nigh-omniscient) Shulk was still able to out predict him, and have visions... Also how does Ness's Nigh-Omniscience even work on someone from an outside universe...
  27. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    But since he can look into with his own precog doesn't that make him nigh-omniscient. Shulk's visions are just so much more powerful than his (and the fact that shulk lives outside the passage of fate) that Zanza's visions were worthless.
  28. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Ether is what makes up the universe itself(Space and time), The monado is able to alter the ether to the user of the monado (Shulk, Zanza, Alvis, Mayneth)'s will. Shulk's reality warping is massivly powerful
  29. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    I'm still arguing for the former. Not only did Zanza create the universe, if he's able to peer into a thing(The Passage of fate) that lets him see everything that will happen in the universe since its creation I would believe it to be above just simple precognition. If you have a good reason...
  30. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    Actually let me rephrase. The passage of fate is what dictates everything/everyone in the universe. Alvis later states that through shulk's visions shulk was able to alter the passage of fate (because he was able to see it as well) In the final boss fight Zanza being able to see into the...
  31. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    Zanza does have pre-cognition, but through this pre-cognition he is able to see into the thing that decides the future of everyone and everything in the universe isn't that Nigh-Omniscience?
  32. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Gotcha
  33. Zackaryzac

    Zanza Intelligence

    Zanza stating the Passage of Fate Dictates everything Zanza can see into the passage of fate. Zanza should be upgraded, as he's allowed to see everything that will happen. Nigh-Omniscience right?
  34. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Pretty sure tbh this thread was done before though, like a year ago.
  35. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Keep in mind, Shulk's visions made Zanza's visions useless, and Zanza was able to see/was connected to the passage of fate. (Actually just made a post on Zanza's profile for the upgrade) The passage of fate is what dictates everything in the universe. Also according to Alvis "It is a marvel...
  36. Zackaryzac

    Shulk VS Zael

    Zanza(The Monado) was able to mind control, his other "hosts" in the past. But was unable to completely do so to shulk, more so he had to kind of 'lead' Shulk to the end goal, when Shulk is about to kill egil, Zanza's voice goes on inside his head to kill him, yet shulk ends up refusing to do so.
  37. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    I don't see how Shulk's visions are irrelevant.
  38. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    I phrased that bad. Shulk stops seeing the visions directly, he just more or less senses them, he doesn't have to "think" about what will happen next, he just knows, think about it like a more powerful Ultra Instinct.
  39. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Was never stated specifically, but it was able to read the thoughts of the party. Keep in mind, this was before shulk's end game visions. Shulk's end game visions are things he doesn't have to think about, they're instaneous a telethia wasn't able to sense him/his thoughts upon his return from...
  40. Zackaryzac

    Ness vs Shulk

    Shulk's fought mind readers before.....(Telethia)
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