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  1. Hrdlifil

    Analyzing the Tiering System

    I don´t mind who said what is correct, again there is no universal set, there is no one size of proper classes, they arent in ZFC or ZFC+inaccessible cardinal, and that with wrong tiers is my mistake they aren´t wrong, they are just variant i disagree with (the one with proper classes) and the...
  2. Hrdlifil

    Analyzing the Tiering System

    This picture is not correct and does no good but mislead people. There is no Universal set, there is no single size of Proper class, there isn ´t even notion of proper classes in ZFC, and you wrote tiers to totally wrong cardinals. This is one of the most misleading thing in this thread.
  3. Hrdlifil

    Analyzing the Tiering System

    And what kind of proper class? Ord? or No? Or do you assume V=HOD and there is bijection? Do you see why it is not a good idea to use proper classes? :)
  4. Hrdlifil

    Analyzing the Tiering System

    Man what you have written is just handwaving nonsense akin to suggsverse and one of the reasons the tiering system needs to change. I don´t want to ofend you but people are trying to come up with preceise system and you offer infinite above the concept of above above the concept where there...
  5. Hrdlifil

    Analyzing the Tiering System

    I don´t know what you watched neither do i know what is orderal. If you mean ordinals than there is a cardinal for every ordinal and cardinal specifies size, ordinal is just about ordering
  6. Hrdlifil

    Analyzing the Tiering System

    Hello people, some people here are against the proposed change of tiering system with some good and some bad arguments as it is always the case. Let me please share with you my poposal(which i discussed with Ultima who also colaborated so it is not just my idea) which I believe is very simmilar...
  7. Hrdlifil

    Analyzing the Tiering System

    Hello to you all, I like the option 2, that is this: " The current 1-B becomes Low 1-B The current High 1-B becomes 1-B High 1-B becomes the tier for up to uncountably infinite higher planes/dimensions/stuff Low 1-A becomes baseline Outerversal and up, with infinite hierarchies on this...
  8. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    Thank you, that is the kind of answer I was looking for. For those who I fear will write like we can´t use omnipotence and their verse is above multiverse lets just define multiverse as arbitrary large collection of universes and omnipotence as supreme power over arbitrary large subset of...
  9. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    My man I am sorry but this is not consistent. If we say that C´thulu Mythos and Marvel verse are disjoint, then no matter who from Marvel verse is not part of C´thulu Mythos. For Example Azzy is much stronger than Iron man. In neutral universe Azzy would wipe the floor with Iron man. But since...
  10. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    What? Man I am not asking about outcome of bloke vs azathot in neutral universe. Of course Azathot would win. I mean I must be wording this super badly. I am just asking whether lets take for example Azathot as to not be too general, has his power only over his C´thulu mythos and not over other...
  11. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    Now the questionn. Is it fair to say, that Marvel verse is located outside of C´thulu verse, therefore it is not part of Azathot creation and therefore Azathot has no power over Marvel verse?
  12. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    Ok I am sorry I must be badly wording this. Lets have Azathoth who I think we all can agree with is one of the most powerfull beeing on this wiki. He created his verse (C´thulu Mythos verse) and isthe supreme beeing of that verse. Now the questionn. Is it fair to say, that Marvel verse is...
  13. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    What do you mean by owner of neutral universe? Like he can not lose only possibly stalemate with outher tier 0?
  14. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    I am not using omnipotence as well, just saying that it is the limit if you will of the power hierarchy. Ok lets use Zen´o and Azathoth. Both are supreme beeings of their own verses, with Azathoth beeing much more powerfull due to his greater feats in his verse.The main questin is if this my...
  15. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    Let me correct that to nigh-omnipotent. But that is not the point of that, the point the main question is if it is basically right to think of those fictional multiverses like Marvel or C´thulu mythos as separate and therefore no beeing no matter how powerful from either of them can influence...
  16. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    Thank you for your answer, The thing here is if we can more or less agree on this, which i found on the internet and I personaly agree with and just wanted to know your stance on this: No god in fiction can be an omniversal omnipotent. To organize things neatly, there are local gods, who...
  17. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    That is not what i am asking my man. :)
  18. Hrdlifil

    Cosmology of fictional verses

    Hello everybody, i would like to ask you this question. Lets have 2 fictional verses Marvel and C´thulu Mythos. Now both those verses have their own local ultimate beeing that is for Marvel TOAA and for C´thulu Mythos Azathot. Now Both of those verses exist at the same time and no one is part...
  19. Hrdlifil

    Coexistence of multiple tier 0 characters

    AAAA but still tier 0 could be totally omnipotent ect with respect to his existence/verse and there could be others in different existences/verses. So there would be no problem to say that TOAA is omnipotent (because he is in regards to his domain) and Azathot is omnipotent(because in his...
  20. Hrdlifil

    Coexistence of multiple tier 0 characters

    Yeah but the question is how. Do we consider for example Marvel existence/verse with TOAA Isolated from Cthulu mythos existence/verse with Azathot so that TOAA can be tier 0 cause Marvels existence/verse doesn´t know about Cthulu mythos. So both of these existences Exist simultanesly but are...
  21. Hrdlifil

    Coexistence of multiple tier 0 characters

    Good day everybody, I would like to ask you this question. Is my understanding correct that we can have multiple Tier 0 characters because their Tier 0 is judged by power they posses in their continuity/existence and logicaly not over like all of fiction since that would A) Be a contradiction...
  22. Hrdlifil

    The Downstreamers High 1-A interpretation

    I would let it open if it´s possible so other fans of Downstreamers could contribute and or ask questions.
  23. Hrdlifil

    The Downstreamers High 1-A interpretation

    No No No guys you don´t understand I don´t want to like officialy upgrade The Downstreamers page. I think that High 1-B is high enough for how vaguely they are portraited and I understand that for tiers 1-A and above you need direct quotes. This my interpretation is just high end interpretation...
  24. Hrdlifil

    The Downstreamers High 1-A interpretation

    Hello everyone, Í am a huge sci fi fan and as most or at least some fans I also stumbled upon a question of which sci-fi alien race is the most advanced. At first as a huge stargate fan I thought that the answer is Ancients or Lanteans if you will, but then Stargate atlantis really nerfed their...
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