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  1. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    I wouldn't say the theory is too far-fetched, as Stephen has been described as a Buddha figure.
  2. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Yep. In both cases, the term õ©ûþòî is used. It also states that Brahman and YHVH reign over different 'worlds'. So when Schrodinger states that Seraph is going to bear witness to countless different realities/worlds, it's possible Seraph is able to traverse - or even exist simultaneously -...
  3. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Yes, but when Shrodinger states that Seraph is going to witness many different 'worlds', would that imply Seraph is going to witness the events of multiple multiverses? Since he also uses the term 'world' to describe Brahman's multiverse.
  4. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Would that imply multiple multiverses, do you think?
  5. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Brahman I would say is very likely candidate for High 2-A, along with Seraph. DDS2's ending mentions that Seraph would bear witness to countless different realities. That said, the game is also vague as to what it means by 'realities'. I'm gonna take a look at the JP ending to try and get a...
  6. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Did a bit of digging, and the in-game text states that Maria sends the player to Õñ®þòî (tenkai) - Heaven, essentially. It doesn't say anything about High-Dimensional Space (though, the way Heaven's presented does make it seem that way).
  7. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Yeah, those seem to be reasonable choices.
  8. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    As a reminder, which demons are being considered for High 2-A? Or would it be better to discuss that as part of a different thread entirely?
  9. Time/Spatial Manipulation

    Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up!
  10. Time/Spatial Manipulation

    What is the reason for Time Manipulation and Spatial Manipulation being listed?
  11. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Yeah, a lot of characters don't have resistance/immunity against certain attacks listed that they should have. Demi-Fiend's a more prominent example of this, since he should have resistance/immunity to several different kinds of attacks (Physical attacks, most elements, etc.).
  12. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Ah, okay. I'm actually not sure. If it applies to the protags, it may apply to him as well. As an aside, are we all in agreement with the idea of protags having hax resistance?
  13. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Is it Power Nullification? I thought the AP deal only applied to outright Hax.
  14. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    That's yet to be determined, but it's a safe bet that he won't. Not sure about characters such as Demi-Fiend, Nanashi, etc.
  15. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    How long do you think these revisions are going to take? I'm thinking it may be better to split the process into phases if we haven't decided on that already. Maybe start with more prominent figures such as YHVH, Satan, Lucifer, etc.; then the more common demons.
  16. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    I'm like 100% certain Demi-Fiend becomes fully demon when he reaches the Lucifer in the Labyrinth and gets lowered into the pool of Magatsuhi. Hell, when he wakes up in Shinjuku Medical Center for a second time, the ghost outside even says something to the effect of "You have been reborn yet...
  17. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Oh, right. Well, the point still stands. There is a proper explanation for him being there, unlike with Demi-Fiend.
  18. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Is it ever stated that the Demi-Fiend that's encountered is just a copy? It might be safer to just disregard it anyway. Unlike Satan, where they explain why he's in Nirvana, the encounter with Demi-Fiend really doesn't go in-depth with why he's in the Junkyard specifically.
  19. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    With the spirits consumed, most likely yes.
  20. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Would it be fair to take Demi-Fiend's appearance in DDS1 into consideration? Those who end up in the Junkyard are essentially AI, i.e. they consist of data like demons do. Then again, DDS regards everything in the known universe to be made of data, so maybe that doesn't mean much. (This is...
  21. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Demi-Fiend was also able to permanently kill Kagutsuchi, despite becoming a 'True Demon', which would contradict the idea of demons/deities not being able to kill other demons/deities. Nanashi is at least technically still human up until he kills YHVH.
  22. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    That I'm not questioning. I'm asking if that applies to characters who have supposedly become Demons/Gods.
  23. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Would Massacre Nanashi or TDE Demi-Fiend get High Godly Regenerationn? I don't believe there's anything suggesting that they could have it, but I could be wrong. Acausality I can see. Non-corporeality and Abstract Existence I'm unsure of.
  24. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    The profile shows him as being simply 2-A, not 'At least 2-A'. From what I can gather, 'At least 2-A' implies a character's on the higher end of 2-A without being outright High 2-A.
  25. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    I thought Amala was simply the space in which the multiverse existed in, though. Better ask Matt on this one, I'd say.
  26. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    I'd still reserve judgement in regards to Sanat. He could be ranked as 'At least 2-A', but an outright upgrade would be iffy.
  27. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Has it ever been determined whether the amount of universes in Amala is finite or not? I know Amala itself is infinite.
  28. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Taking DeSu 2 into consideration is a bit iffy to begin with. Don't the Devil Survivor games take place within a separate continuity from the main series anyway?
  29. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Regarding the 2-A to High 2-A upgrade: It may be safer to present the characters being considered as '2-A, possibly higher', like with many other profiles, rather than outright upgrading them. I've seen the current 'At least 2-A' rankings cause some confusion. On the other hand, it may help to...
  30. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    Yeah, the statement is quite vague. It doesn't help that he's a DLC demon with questionable relevance to the story of SMTIV to begin with. IV-A may have retcon'd certain details involving him and the Ancient of Days anyway.
  31. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    I know what the reasoning for Sanat being High 2-A is, but what about other demons? Or which ones are being considered, even?
  32. Shin Megami Tensei Revisions / Updates

    One thing that might be worth adding: Stephen is unbound by the cycle of transmigration/reincarnation. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that make him qualified to have Type 5 Immortality?
  33. Lucifer (Shin Megami tensei 4) ???

    It's possible both Satan and Lucifer are formed from the same 'source', and how they manifest depends heavily on Observation and (possibly) the setting. In that sense, Lucifer can act as either a counterpart to Satan or as an aspect of him. YHVH is also handled differently in Apocalypse. In...
  34. Demi Fiend VS YHVH

    Possibly, but we wouldn't be able to apply it as a proper match-up.
  35. Demi Fiend VS YHVH

    Pretty much any demons he had in Nocturne, I would imagine. With the addition of Lucifer and Dante. Already stated how that would make this an unnoteworthy victory, though.
  36. Demi Fiend VS YHVH

    If it's Demi-Fiend solo, then he clearly does not win. If it's Demi-Fiend with a party of demons... well, that begs the question of which demons he's bringing along. If Lucifer's among them (pretty much a given, since they're on the exact same side), it's quite possible that his chances of...
  37. Demi Fiend VS YHVH

    Actually Are we basing this on the assumption that Demi-Fiend is going against him one-on-one or with a party? If it's solo, I actually WILL change my vote to a loss. Simply because no one solos YHVH to begin with (besides maybe Creator God Nanashi).
  38. Demi Fiend VS YHVH

    Does it say which version of YHVH SMT IV Lucifer went up against? I don't even think IV Lucifer could reliably be used for the comparison either unless we know which version of YHVH he went up against. Saying Demi-Fiend is weaker than IV Lucifer is also dubious. We also don't know how Nocturne...
  39. Demi Fiend VS YHVH

    Hmm. Satan himself HAS been confirmed to vary in power based on the game (SMTIV Satan is in a whole different league from SMTII Satan.) I may change my voice to inconclusive, actually; simply on the basis that trying to compare anything in Nocturne to their SMTII counterpart is a very prickly...
  40. Demi Fiend VS YHVH

    I know this is a joke, but GOD NO. None of the protags solo YHVH (unless you have a broken build, anyway). Edit: Come to think of it, Aleph wouldn't be able to solo him due to Voice/Breath of God, which in SMTII ALWAYS hits the party member with the lowest Int.
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