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There is also an official manga for it which was overseen and supervised by Akira Toriyama. If I were to bet, the manga is the most canon of the two fitting in Super with maybe the special falling into Toei territory.
Every staff that’s commented since the suggestion agreed to the ban. There’s no need to drag this. And the frequency doesn’t matter when this is brought up several times over the last 4-5 years. There’s no need to investigate this any further.
Not to be antagonistic but you don’t get it if you don’t realize that you’ve agreed to this scaling not even that long ago and are now backtracking based off of ridiculous headcanon and baseless assumptions. Topaz made a thread countering your own thread and you agreed with it! Now you are back...
This is such a weak argument, there is literally no reason to entertain it. If imprecise control of the Kamehameha is its flaw, why even use it at all let alone teach it to 3 other people whom you know you want to surpass you in strength? Are we saying the Moon level feat was imprecise yet he...
Asura blatantly disagreed with the logic of the thread and then refused to disagree 😂. Only two people would support that logic and I’m pretty sure one of them even knew it was bullshit but still went with it cuz “any DB Downgrade is a win even if it has no merit.”😂
And I’m sorry but I’m sick of people just agreeing with a thread because it’s a downgrade. There was not one new point brought up in the OP that would have even justified a 22nd Budokai downgrade BECAUSE IT WASNT THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE OP 😂. It looks like it’s getting rejected and we’ll get a...
Not 5-C on the basis of what?
Allow me to vent for a sec
We had a solid thread explaining exactly why they deserve their ranking earlier this year and not even 12 months later someone comes along and brings up the same things discussed in 2019/2020 on the basis of things already debunked and...
Honestly I wouldn’t mind a thread rule for at least downgrading anyone past Old King Piccolo with the same arguments that got us crapped on by [Redacted] the Programmer
For reference it took two pages for Roshi to fire the moon busting Kamehameha
It took him 7 pages to botch the Mafuba and two of the pages he literally was setting up
So charging the kamehameha is a nonissue
You got two people with 5-C level attacks not using said attacks because the wisest of the two, of whom has actual combat experience against KP, states battling KP would result in their inevitable defeat.
…. Nah he doesn’t scale
The OP's main argument is that only Roshi should be Moon level until DBZ everything here blatantly shows thats bullshit if the OP wanted to downgrade 22 budokai DB characters outside of Tien's Kikoho that would be reasonable but I still disagree.
And don't bring up no BS about the Kikoho gambling his life, he literally gave his life using the Mafuba and its quite obvious Tien can survive at least one Kikoho.
The point is The Kikoho wasn't even considered an option to fight up against King Piccolo. Not even the masters of the Kikoho would of been foolish enough to take on King Piccolo in a head to head fight. Matter of fact Roshi tells Tien straight up they have no hope or chance in battle. That...
He is comparing the destructive force of a Kamehameha to the Tribeam. He quite literally is saying this has greater force than what he did to the moon. Your argument makes no fricken sense.
"One can't even begin to compare it to the Kamehameha -except my own kamehameha-"
The reader ought to...
sure but its very obvious stuff you can pay attention to while watching the show. This is as explicit as any for the reasons listed above and the Daizenshuu supports this
Put me as disagree and delete this shiii and close this. Anything past 22nd Budokai undeniably above Max Roshi. And to call out the official guidebooks that explicitly make this clear without pointing out any of the "contradictions" .....which to no surprise certain people seem to agree with...
Hello all been a minute since I did one of these,
Straight to the point
Janemba needs Chaos Manipulation
Its pretty much for all the reasons listed here
He not only broke down the laws governing the Afterlife and Living Realm and caused the deceased the run rampant across the Universe, but...