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venom makes sense.
i also agree with sera. it should be described in relation to the power its applied from. it makes sese considering how vague this specific power can in my opinion.
everything seems solid to me.
i just can't choose who to agree with in this debate between DT and messiah.
mainly because i don't think i have full understanding of their argument.
i'll read this thread again before giving input.
so from my understanding messiah is saying that existence...
@ZERO
im not sure if the basic idea of how it works is clear for us.
as far as i know we can only go by examples since this is a topic beyond our human understanding (or at least my own mediocre understanding).
@Matt
its shouldn't. 2-A are incapable of what we're speaking of in this thread so this topic in that thread shouldn't be disccused.
its either an outlier statement or these mofos are outerversal and we just downplay like we're famous for in other communities lol.
@Venom
ah, ok. you see, the way you worded your first comment, it seemed you were trying to say that azathoth didn't create the unnamed darkness and its something that existed along side azathoth from the begining, or even pre-dates azathoth so i got confused for a second there.
i just noticed something.
why is this on the content revision board ?
shouldn't this be in the "questions and answers" section ?
anyway, @Venom
didn't azathoth spawn the unnamed darkness along with the nameless mist ?
you yourself can be erased from nonexistence (maybe to an even higher level of nonexistence but thats all hypothetical)
but you can't erase nonexistene itself if thats what you're asking.
and thats my understanding hope it helped.
opps. took me way too long to write my comment. since i didn't refresh the page i couldn't know sera sent a reply.
in that case since there seems to be no rejection to this. now all that is left is to wait for DT to edit the pages correct ?
Sera seemed interested in this thread so she might give her opinion but something happened and delayed her ?
i think we should wait for her response and if not, then we can only trust DT's word for it and add this to the conceptual manipulation page since he is a very knowledgable wiki member...
@Ant
sorry to hear that ant. at least im hoping its not exhausting for you.
as for the explanation from DT, it is very reasonable and there is nothing to argue against in my opinion.
though i think its best we should wait for some staff and members input and maybe ask sera if he, she, it (?)...
@DontTalk
The "levels" of conceptual manipulation also looks fine to me.
And this seems fine to me. the resoning and conditions.
Though i don't really see the point of the second condinition since its so rare, i know no examples of but it might be more common than i think it is so i might be...
@Monarch Laciel creating a new concept is what qualifies as "creating a new concept"if you create a universe then said universe possesses the same concepts like time and spacefrom the multiverse this universe originates from. there is no new concept created like negative anti mass or anytrhing...
@Sera
From my understanding, a group of members apprarently are trying to upgrade their favorite characters by creating or proposing to create unnecessary powers that'd be just waste the time for the staff to add in my opinion.
Conceptual manipulation is a power that need explanation...
@Ant
So they just try to pitch an idea for a new power to buff a character/characters they like ?
Seems quite unnecessary but i think we should wait for DT to give his opinion on this.
If he thinks its required i don't think there is a point in arguing against him.
Though i do have my...
hmm.
i don't see anything wrong here. can't argue against what DT is trying to push but the thing is, shouldn't all of this just be a given ? like to me at the very least, even though i by no means even consider myself experienced in this topic know about this enough to where i wouldn't really...
damn dude. VS wiki lets go.
and hopefully that'll double sooner than later. very tired of people shuning my arguments just because i ocasionally use this site. heck someone even refused to argue with me because i use this tiering system, you know, the same system everyone with a functioning...
my reply was removed ? smh, i guess i had it comming.
in any regards Congratulations ant on this amazing mile stone, i on the behalf of everyone that couldn't see this post aplaude you for your hard work for hours and hours each day everyday, you're an example to be looked at by everyone in...
...be 50%)
an unlimited supply of 3K pots (grant 25% extra power and 50 physical and magical protections) and rituals
ok with everything being said lets f***ing gooooooooooo
PS. if you're unaware of how some of the stats work with the items i've given chronos i can give you a short explanation.
@Ant
yes about that, closing a thread is a staff only feature correct ? the person who made the thread can't simply close it right ?
just asking for the future.
@RadicalMrR
that example you gave was travel feat which is very low in DB in general untill super came out while combat speed in DB is far greater.
i also believe that you're not factoring in the fact that goku slept on his was back from the snake way.
what about picolo's at least sub rel/possibly light speed feat ?
the one where his beam reached the moon in seconds and raditz was able to dodge a similar ray at point blank
@Ant
well the true size is unkown an im unaware of such a calc but to give you a scale to start with earth in DB is considered as a small planet when compared to others and namek is considered a large planet.
also as a general question, this downgrade is for travel speed not combat speed...
@DontTalk
that sounds reasonable thank you for the input DontTalk. so its basically just like what azathoth said right ?
also it would be cool if the 2-A rating was changed to what you wrote, or i have a better idea, the high 1-B rating has a note that states Take note that even if a character...
@Azathoth
so from what i understand is that if its refered to as just infinity then its 2-A but if its specifically stated to be an uncountable set then it qualifies for at least 2-A or possibly high 2-A correct ?
alright i understand now, thank you both for the explanation but azathoth to make sure that we're on the same page, if i destroyed a more than countably infinite number of universes would that give me a 2-A or an at least 2-A rating ?
and since in either case it won't put me in anything higher...