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  1. Cerbus

    You vs Your Favorite Character

    I got excited to do this, but then couldn't think of who my absolute favorite was, but Then i rolled my powers and it didn't really matter. (in order of effectiveness) https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Concept_Manipulation https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Enhanced_Preparedness...
  2. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Fair 2 for gilgamesh 0 for kharn Many undecided or obstaining contributors.
  3. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Ok I will drop mobility, but honestly I haven't seen a good counter to the rest of my points, so I will be chalking this up to counting the votes and calling it quite for me lol. As far as I can tell there is 2 definitively for gilgamesh Cerbus and corofirmbalance 1 for Kharn not Jim...
  4. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Well yes I didn't mean mobile as in speed speed is equalized, I meant mobile as in flexibility in his armor it doesn't look like he can put his arms to his sides or touch his head to the ground by bending backwards it looks very restrictive. Like comparing a guy in plate mail to a guy on...
  5. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Yes but it's honestly doubtful at least how they are currently stated that any weapon besides Gore child can actually get past gil's large planet durability. His ranged attack is only large continent level and gainst large planet dur it won't even make gilgamesh sweat. Honestly the...
  6. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    What about attacks both in and out of melee gilgamesh isn't known to be scared off of enemies, but does attempt to abuse their weaknesses and kharn's weakness is ranged combat so he would try to draw out a ranged fight as long as possible before entering melee. His SNI tells him exactly when...
  7. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Sry it's late and I am tired and it's late so I forgot this statement. Martial combat and melee combat aren't the same thing so you can't just assume every ranged attack will be nullified for unjust fighting and with precog gil knows which ones will and won't be before he even decides to...
  8. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    My problem is that gilgamesh is at at least with his current large planet and could possibly scale up to solarsystem,but it isn't definate, just like Kharn could probably scale up to multi planetary but it isn't definate. What am I supposed to do with a but they could both be several tiers...
  9. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Martial arts is a form of martial combat, but so is kyudo which is a form martial combat that specializes in the bow. Martial combat is combat involving a martial weapon not martial arts, this also isn't derailing as this is central to the core of the fight whether or not gilgamesh gets...
  10. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Or more of the two. It is also in fact honorable to use a bow and gilgamesh is handicapping himself making Kharn the arguably dishonorable one.
  11. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Just because it can negate ranged attacks doesn't mean it always does you have to prove gilgamesh's ranged attack is fundamentally not martial combat and is unfair. It's still a measure of strength and skill and is in no way underhanded or deceitful.The boon specifically states the attack has...
  12. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    martial adjectiveKharn is the most favoured mortal servant of Khorne, and is accordingly granted protection against witchery by his patron. This favour allows Kharn complete immunity to reality warping, mind control, psychic assaults, magic, etc. If it does not fall under honorable martial...
  13. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    They both have a ranged Weapon it isn't unfair unless you can prove it is. And even if you want to say gob is unfair because they are fired from portals or his spaceship then gilgamesh can literally pull out a bow without losing attack potency. It's hard to say a guy with a bow has an unfair...
  14. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    @TheC2 I didn't know that as its not listed well on his page that being said that would bring up attack potency but not really durability unless a tanking feat came from it. Fate extra ccc is also at least large planet not capped at large planet fate extra servants managed to hurt the Buddha...
  15. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    The problem is ignoring hax gilgamesh as better ranged attack potency, melee attack potency better durability and precognition allowing him to use the best strategy, and always make the best move. I don't think Kharm is bridging that gap with skill and his hax isn't effective offensively. With...
  16. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    @TheC2 Sry I didn't see your comment it's difficult debating 2 different people at the same time and that is my bad.
  17. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    That is literally the same as saying everything in tenchi muyo is part and product of God Tenshi and thus should all be 1A just because chaos gods created the warp doesn't mean everything in it is 1-B in power and effect.
  18. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    That is a fair point but you can't use feats that might exist or many of these battles would go nowhere. Even something of small or even regular planet attack potency can kill a solar system sized beast it just wouldn't be in one atrack. Then again if we assume kharne is solar system level...
  19. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Soul*
  20. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Gil resists sout manipulation and has precog and gob has large planet level pen ignoring magical effects it's likely kharne couldn't even hit him let alone test whether his hax bypass gilgamesh's resistence. Gore child not actually being a product of Khorne likely doesn't have better hax then...
  21. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Sry I got suckered into a final post
  22. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Fair point kharne is immune to all magic and gilgamesh himself is literally magic. That leaves a question. Gilgamesh is immune to conventional weaponry i.e.all non magic weapons what does kharne have to deal with that if nothing this battle is inconclusive as neither can harm the other. If not...
  23. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Look it's fine if you don't want to count it everything list is right on its page, besides even if it's hax is 2-C it's damage is still only large planet in scale. Any tier 4 or below can tank an attack of that magnitude with pure durability even if they can't nullify it. Hax has nothing to...
  24. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Ea effects space time. Any attack that effects time as at least some 4th dimensional effect. Normally a 5th and 6th dimensional effect as well, but the evidence of that isn't on the site so I can't actively point to it and I am too lazy to try and dig it up to prove otherwise. Technically...
  25. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    As a side note everything I have listed is on their pages though not as clearly listed as they can be(sabers avalon directly lists immunity to 6D and below attacks directly while EA creates an artificial space time and bends it something only black holes and neutron stars do if my memory on...
  26. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    You actually have to prove his boon protects against that type and level of hax. Hax can bypass the tier system it talks about it on the hax page.
  27. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Khorne helps him yes, but granting him a boon as a 4A and the boon of a 1-B (a free Khorne)are two entirely different things. There is no reason to believe Khorne isn't a 4 A in terms of effect in this battle as restrained by the emperor is his standard state in 40k. More over the effects of...
  28. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Get him* petitioned* to 3A in his standard form Sry using a tablet makes grammar more difficult.
  29. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Which means outside of the warp and restrained or standard equipment wise he isn't higher dimensional no where in the combat conditions does it list Khorne is free and and actively helping his chosen warrior he isn't even free for most of 40k so this seems like a non argument. You...
  30. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    As far as it goes nothing I have said directly oppose the tier system it in fact states in tier 3A if you are 4D you are a high 3A at least. Since no one listed is a high 3A and the boon comes from a tier 4 none of my statements are wrong. In fact even my statement though long about how a...
  31. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Sry meant kharne their names are easy to mix up
  32. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    @Monarch Laciel I realize this sites rule on higher dimensionals and it makes some sense, my point however is that status doesn't automatically apply to all boons or powers they grant to their servants. I admit I don't know kharne well enough to know if he is a higher dimensional himself...
  33. Cerbus

    My armor is cooler than yours - Gilgamesh (Fate) vs Kharn the Betrayer (Warhammer 40K)

    Ok I get the higher dimensional tier argument on the basis of a school yard arguement, but nothing in physics actually states a being of a higher dimension is infinitely more powerful than a being below it except the 6th dimension. to beings of a lower dimension. In real world quantum theory...
  34. Cerbus

    King Hassan vs Misogi

    Misogi isn't my specialty but from what I read fiction is at best high Thamaturgy through vs equalization meaning it wouldn't be very effective on hassan thanks to his B rank anti magic causing even high Thamaturgy to have reduced effect. Furthermore until hassan attacks he is virtually...
  35. Cerbus

    Saber (Fate Series) vs. Tohka Yatogami (Date a Live)

    I'll also have to go with saber. People state that excaliblast takes time, but both saber and saber alter have feats for using excaliblast with only the slightest delay. Most of the reason why she doesn't spam excaliblast is because she lacks the prana for it(and it is hinted that was how she...
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