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  1. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Actually, i don't see any problem with the Apokolips feat, but okay i think we can still wait.
  2. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Well, 1 KiloFoe IMP isn't a limit to anyone, because the full power of IMP is High 3-A.
  3. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    "Earth is a speck in air pocket" is a hyperbole because it was clearly shown that they weren't that small. No, this statement was made in Fourth World, so he / she (narrator) should talk about stars in Fourth World.
  4. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Well, it was stated that these planets are larger than the largest star in the Fourth World dimension, and Earth was only as big as Superman's eyes in New Genesis (these two showings don't contradict each other). "Larger than the largest star" statement is from Jack Kirby's Fourth World #1...
  5. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    @Zensum thank you for info. @Antvasima what we should do about Apokolips feat? Should we wait more?
  6. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Even if you use Boomtube size difference then the result won't change, because these planets are this big in the Fourth World dimension. If you want i can calculate Boomtube size difference but it won't change anything.
  7. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    No, in Jack Kirby's Fourth World #1 it was stated that the Oldworld (NG and Apo are equal halves of the Oldworld) was larger than the largest star (the statement was made in Fourth World), this means that these planets are gigantic even in Fourth World dimension. In New Gods Vol 4 #10 it was...
  8. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Well, then it's a supportive 4-C feat.
  9. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Here's the link: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Joemungousaur/DC_Comics:_Some_Tier_4_Feats 1. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mass-energy_conversion_feats "Matter-energy conversion should only be used for a calculation if it is clearly stated that this is the progress used"...
  10. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    I'll do it after Firestorm's analysis is done.
  11. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Thank you for help.
  12. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    No, they said these words in my blog post. Also, Spino said it was rejected due to inconsistent size of the Apokolips not due to Boomtube.
  13. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    No, they said that the math itself is fine but the size of these planets are inconsistent, but i used a statement from New Gods Vol 4 and Jack Kirby's Fourth World (comic where happened the feat) is a direct continuation of it, so this size should be usable. KLOL506: Ah, so it's got nothing to...
  14. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Okay. Inputs given by members (for now): ▪ Qawsedf234 said that the changes are fine. ▪ Spino75 said that the math is fine. ▪ KLOL506 also said that the math is fine. ▪ DDM said that the feat should be 5-B due to Boomtube, but i explained that these planets are gigantic even in the Fourth...
  15. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    @Antvasima Can we apply the changes now?
  16. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    No, these Earths were literal planets from different universes. "Each was a world from a universe such as yours" "That's crazy. Those people--those planets--were tiny"
  17. Joemungousaur

    Doctor Manhattan Profile Overhaul

    Yeah, i agree about cosmology. We know that there are innumerable dimensions in DC and they are higher levels of infinity (it was stated multiple times), Limbo is a timeless void where these dimensions end, Monitor Sphere exists even beyond the Limbo and is made out of the thoughts of the Overvoid.
  18. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    "Earth is a speck in air pocket" is hyperbole yes, it was clearly shown that Earths are as big as Superman's eyes.
  19. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    No, these planes are gigantic even in the Fourth World dimension. It was clearly stated that Oldworld (New Genesis and Apokolips are equal halves of the Oldworld) was larger than the largest star and this statement was made in Fourth World (by narrator). This statement supports the radius which...
  20. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Okay, thank you.
  21. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    If you are fine with 2 megafoe feat then we should write that feat in Orion's AP section, also we should mention about Orion scaling in Superman's AP section.
  22. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Well, i don't talk about that. I don't have the scan right now. Ant and Qawsedf234 I will drop this whole debate about Darkseid because it's irrelevant for the purpose of this thread. The size which i used for that calc is from New Gods Vol 4 (Jack Kirby's Fourth World is direct continuation...
  23. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Well, i don't argue for Tier 2 Superman. I said that the tier 4 feat performed by Lightray should scale to base Superman because Lightray is comparable base Orion and Orion is comparable to Superman. Also your first scan is out of context, Darkseid was depowered before that battle.
  24. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Okay. Can we use Apokolips feat? Spino and KLOL said that the math is fine and i explained that why we can use that size for Apokolips for this feat.
  25. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    ▪ What? It was clearly shown that it's Desaad who lost to Superman. The only battle where Darkseid lost to Superman was that comic, so it can't be any other comic. ▪ I will. ▪ I don't deny that. I said that we can't use that as evidence because it contradicts our tiers and scalings for these...
  26. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    You can read POTM's thread for better explanations for this if you have time.
  27. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    In the entire OWAW arc Darkseid was shown to be equal to Superman (Apokolips WAR is also connected to the OWAW arc), i don't deny that. But there are comics where Darkseid was clearly shown to be greatly superior to Superman-level beings. He played around with John Stewart and his Darkstar team...
  28. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Oh, my mistake lol apparently millions nuclear bombs = gigaton levels.
  29. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Yeah i know that and i said that he only lost 2 times (Superman vs Darkseid: Apokolips NOW and Superman/Batman #13). 1 million nuclear bombs = megaton levels, yeah and Superman considered this explosion as a limit to himself. It's clearly PIS, because Darkseid can't lose to a Tier 6 being.
  30. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    I highly recommend that you read this thread to understand that i mean. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:3144312?useskin=oasis
  31. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    @Qawsedf204 Can you give some examples? Yes, Jack Kirby's Fourth World is continuation of New Gods Vol 4.
  32. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    ▪ It was Desaad who lost to Superman in John Bryne's series. ▪ I don't know that story. Can you post scans? ▪ In that comic Superman and Doomsday were megaton levels at best. So Darkseid vs Doomsday in that comic was clearly PIS.
  33. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Also the comics where Darkseid lost to Superman are Superman vs Darkseid: Apokolips NOW (full) and Superman / Batman #13. Note: In Superman/Batman #13 Superman was sundipped.
  34. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Darkseid only lost 2 times to Superman (in one of these battles he was sundipped). He was consistently beyond the Tier 4 In Post-Crisis era. It was stated that Darkseid is powerful enough to destroy Takion and he proved it by creating a new being equal to Takion, Darkseid was so powerful that...
  35. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Darkseid was usually shown to be greatly superior to Superman in Post-Crisis. PrinceOfTheMorning made it clear in his post about Darkseid in the past. Also he's consistently 2-B in Post-Crisis too (For example, he consistently was superior to Takion).
  36. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Okay, thank you.
  37. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Wow it's good, but the approval of these feats will be good for her revision too, so I think these feats can be discussed in this thread. Also what do you think about these feats?
  38. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    ▪ Apokolips feat is from Jack Kirby's Fourth World Vol 1 and the size which i used for Apokolips is from New Gods Vol 4 (Jack Kirby's Fourth World is continuation of New Gods Vol 4). Spino and KLOL506 said that the math is fine so i think we can use this feat. ▪ Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis New...
  39. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Okay, thank you.
  40. Joemungousaur

    DC Comics: Tier 4 Revisions

    Should i ask everyone you mentioned to comment here?
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