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  1. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Also I think it's implied that the mortals may have included him in their legends as memory of his true nature was probably lost to the eons and they may have arbitrarily linked him to Loki. To the mortals, their stories, and maybe even the norse gods, he may be the "son of loki" but to a select...
  2. Gaaraofthedesert801

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    Actually the way he reacts to it, this Ragnarok energy thing seems new even to him. The event has happened before, but the weird energy thing had ti be bestowed to him. It's not something he pulls out of his giant scaley ass lol. He even acts like this power is new to him. So basically even in...
  3. Gaaraofthedesert801

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    The area they fought in had no casualties cause the absolute worst was already done prior tonthe fight thanks to Hel and Fenrir. And the area they fought in was away from the mortals. We even see Jormungandr interacting with the mortals, showing them compassion. And how on earth are you getting...
  4. Gaaraofthedesert801

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    No that's not how it happened. He never destroyed a universe. Avalon is their name for the world of the gods. What Jormungandr destroyed was most of the kingdom of Camelot. And then later wrecked most of what was left of Asgard. But not once had he ended the universe. He is a preserver of...
  5. Gaaraofthedesert801

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    Actually it's never been stated at all of Fenrir had any of Ragnarok within him. I feel he is just as strong as he has always been, as the destined odin killer. Ragnarok is two things. The event and the energy. Only Hades and Jormungandr ever canonically had Ragnarok energy forms. Ans both had...
  6. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Trust me, I'm JUST as frustrated as you are lol. This has been going on for ages lol.
  7. Gaaraofthedesert801

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    I...wasn't yelling o.O no exclamation mark was used. I was more baffled than anything. Sorry if it came across that way. I've read that event stort like four times so I was mostly royally confused as hell lol.
  8. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Thats NOWHERE in the story or any of the lores. Idk where on earth you got that that reincarnation thing. That isnt a thing. At all.
  9. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Woah woah woah what? That's nt how ANY of this works. Jormungandr kills the gods, and sets the mortals free. They forget him, and eventually some tragedy strikes and they MAKE new pantheons subconsciously and they form as real beings. Literally NONE of what you said is in the story. And Merlin...
  10. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    There COULD Have been something but they made his shield an item and his infamous scabbard is not in play at all. And how is he NOT a straight up god when the story, as you just said, claims he is one? Granted, he isn't interested much in worshippers and all that and has more of mentor in his...
  11. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Not sure im the biggest fan of how he's ended up here. But it doesn't mwss up my own personal scaling anyways. That said, it will make discussing my favorite match up for him very weird on here. Which is Future Trunks. Cause both have the tools to wreck the other on seconds. But the revision...
  12. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    But wouldn't that make fights against fellow tier 7's one sided cause of Excalibur one ahotting them, but fights against fellow tier 2's one sided cause they one shot him? Sort of makes him a VERY lopsided character lol.
  13. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Wait, how would we apply this to Arthur's durability? Would it be made the same as his AP?
  14. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Sounds good. I got work but Ill check back in when I can.
  15. Gaaraofthedesert801

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    Lol, again touche. Not that I know of.
  16. Gaaraofthedesert801

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    I'm curious as to the HOW it would be mentioned given its power and purpose. Touche lol
  17. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Which is why I suggest making part of his tiering the swords power. List his power without the sword and his power with the sword. Or at least mention HOW powerful the sword is in contrast with himself. Not that anyone is likely to use him for a vs battle without the sword, but you get my point...
  18. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    But that ranking makes no sense when 1: The sword carved up friggin Jormungandr, and 2: was forged by Merlin using the essences of who knows how many gods that the big snake murdered. It's basically an OP blade made of dead gods that cut open a gaping wound in the chest of a pantheon murdering...
  19. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Perhaps we can list him as "low 2-C WITH Excalibur"? Cause it's kind of hard to seperate him and his infamous sword. So you could make note on his page just how powerful the sword ITSELF is? and we can edit it later if anything major happens with him.
  20. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Suggesting we delete a verse is similarly a lack of progress. Both of you have stalled this into the dirt but we're close. I'll respond to the rest of this (if I remember) following my shift. Night lads. Ok. Ttyl my dude. And for what its worth, if you feel I stalled things, then I apologize...
  21. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    I can ask the same for you. I'm at least TRYING to give constructive criticism and input. Im not the one spout out that we should delete rhe verse, and claiming people are wrong without ANY counter argument. In terms of the verse, I have been here giving evidence, scalings, counter arguments and...
  22. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    How is Arthur contentious? Just curious. I guess that's fair. Just figured it should be mentioned that perhaps his equipment could be considered god tier. Well Ravana and his brother can be argued for considering they DID threaten the gods for the most part. As for Kuzenbo and Bakasura, just...
  23. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Plus I can make a FEW arguments for a FEW of the "sub gods". Arthur: Been over this one too much. With Excalibur he is DEFINITELY god tier. Achilles: He, like Arthur, has divine equipment. Armor and shield forged by vulcan, and spear forged by his trainer Chiron, the same person who trained...
  24. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    But...it's NOT just scaling alone...I've used lore, logic, fights, feats, AND scaling as a whole. All of which has focused around the CANON lore of the verse. I don't get this "its only scaling" argument. And I'm only frustrated with his "nope he's wrong delete the verse" attitude without any...
  25. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Dude...just stop. We are already close to ending this with both sides happy. Just stoo.
  26. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Oh I get that. I'm just stating that, given our view of Poseidon and Hades, she is among the tops of her pantheon. And pretty sure it was her vines at the end that was the biggest hurdle for Heimdallr. As you can tell, as he struggled harder, so did she. It was her magic against his physical...
  27. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    It's scaling mixed with FEATS and LORE. You need feats and lore tk even have proper scaling in the first place. Besides, a good number of us seem fine with the compromise, so YOU don't have to use the low 2-C for any of the non-pantheon heads. But it still gives someone like ME the option to use...
  28. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    I'd argue Hera is. Remember...we basically came to an understanding that Hades and Poseidon aren't far behind Zeus yeah? Well...Hera? Is also among that groul of siblings. As incestuous as that is, but thats greel gods for you. So I'd argue she has every right to be counted among that group in...
  29. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    I'm just throwing in the Loki bit as supporting evidence. If Heimdallr is supposed to hold such a major and important role, and I was Odin, I'd probably make sure he was well above the average god. Sure maybe NOT AS strong as myself, but strong enough to deter most foes if necessary. And to be...
  30. Gaaraofthedesert801

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    I...don't think a "regular god" would be the GUARDIAN OF ASGARD. If the guy's job is to literally be THE line of defense and scout against all threats against Asgard, and I was Odin, I'd probably make aure the dude was super strong. Just feels silly that a guy with a job as important as his is...
  31. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    So the story chapter is out now. Ratatoskr makes a small appearance, and Heimdallr and Persephone have one hell of a battle. A very evenly matched one at that with Heimdallr giving it everything he had to win, even sending her across the realms like he does with his ult.
  32. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    When I said finally, I meant as in I'm glad this is almost over, and we can finally make smite characters fight stuff.
  33. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Finally lol
  34. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    But...how is Merlin a "sub god"?....he has been canonically stated to be one. Just not of this generation as he escaped the death of the gods from the previous cycle. Jormungandr even calls him elder god, just cause he is from an older age of creation. And said god killer mistook Arthur for a...
  35. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Sub gods? You mean like Arthur with Excalibur? Or are you refering to Thor? Cause Thor DID fight Jorm, but Jorm had a massive boost from the power of Ragnarok and even base Jorm is said to be a suicidal double death fight for Thor. And Arthur ripped Jorm a new one with Excalibur.
  36. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Among other reasons like logical scaling like Zeus' brothers not being far behind him, Thoth being Ra's brother and owner of one of the most OP artifacts in Smite and egyptian myth should scale to Ra, Vulcan should scale to the other Olympians and so on. Also the aforementioned fact that the...
  37. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Sorry. Not that it's much of an excuse, but I was half asleep and VERY annoyed when typing that. I apologize for my phrasing but not for the point I was trying to make. This wiki has not only a good number of verses literally scaled off of one or two fights in said verse, FF7 being an example...
  38. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    "I still don't get what's so hard about this", Funny cause I can say the same thing. "Inconsistent"? That's bullshit considering the way other verses have been scaled here, and the sheer amount of scaling the verse has. "Inconsequential"? Also a shit argument considering other verses on here...
  39. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Which I still don't understand when so many other verses on this dang wiki follow a similar method of scaling their characters, yet THIS one? Nah, let's just ignore proper scaling and logic. Lol
  40. Gaaraofthedesert801

    SMITE tier revision

    Despite all the logic and scaling pointing in that direction, which frustrates me to no end. But at this point I'm fine with the compromise, which would still give me the option to use that scaling, and want this to end as its been going on for a month or so.
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