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You said I didn't read it based nothing. You don't disregard anything, and you also don't assume why people disagree with anything.
Huh, I thought OP "didn't say shit about scaling". Funny.
Avoid interacting with me in the future unless you need to address arguments I've made.
This implies Whitebeard should be able to do the same, which could only be derived from scaling.
Don't question my disagreement for no good reason just because you didn't understand it.
In most cases we don't see where the afterimage user goes.
Hell no, IN ALL CASES we don't see where they go until they counterattack. This is irrelevant.
Goku's afterimage can change his expression. We also don't see where his real body is until he counters, again.
I think we're debating over little things, and said things are going to fill up the thread. Hit was obviously referring to skipping through time, since that stopped working at the end of the U6 Arc, the fact we have an official statement that confirms his Pocket Reality truly is his Time Skip...
Again, physics do be physics. Oozaru is, let's say ten times taller than Vegeta, but that would make him a thousand times heavier. Getting a mere 10x power boost would not compensate for speed imo
The thread getting rejected would make the explanation also be rejected, it's the consequence of the thread's purpose, nor a change in what we're trying to achieve here. I'm trying to get the thread rejected, which also entails in removing the explanation. It's one thing.
Did you read the thread?
https://vsbattles.com/threads/oozaru-bojack.150619/
The multiplier proposed was for power
Yet bro added explanations for speed.
As an Oozaru, Vegeta was TOYING with Goku. He was not angry, citing instances where he was angry during the fight is not evidence bro was just livid 24/7
Okay
There is no thread where Oozaru form is even cited as a speed multiplier (from the accepted ones in the Verse Page)
No accepted scaling chain has Oozaru as a speed multiplier.
No supporter, staff, or anyone was aware of this, which wouldn't be the case if it was accepted by staff in a...
Prove it.
Someone could've added this to the speed section by mistake, and it went unnoticed for years.
Proof of this is that no accepted scaling chain has Oozaru as a speed multiplier.
You need to give me the exact thread where this was accepted, because if it is a mistake, it's not accepted
Again, proving it increases speed, but not to the same rate, which would make the form relatively slow for it's power level, which is consistent to what Paragus said
10x Power Level which we don't accept as linear, we have Oozaru as a 10x power multiplier via scaling.
Also because they cited a...
It's not. It's an oversight, there is NO THREAD IN THE HISTORY OF THIS FORUM that approved Oozaru being a 10x multipier in speed, there is PAGE where this is reflected. This is NOT accepted dude.
In both cases, this would be rejected. So you're debating just for the sake of "correcting me" on something I never claimed? Again, proving Oozaru Vegeta is marginally faster than Base Vegeta is not grounds to say Oozaru would be 10x faster exactly. Super didn't retcon anything, the form is slow...
We're not, and even if we were, Oozaru > 5x Kaioken > Vegeta > 2x isn't evidence for X10 AT ALL.
Like, objectively it isn't. And Paragus line doesn't contradict anything. Getting 10x stronger and only ~x2 faster does make it for a pretty lackluster form.
OP has no evidence of the increase applying on the same rate to speed.
OP's evidence provides a near 2x increase in speed from Goku's line to prove a 10x increase.
OP's evidence uses the non-linear power level system as evidence. It doesn't work for obvious reasons.
We have a statement that the...
Goku was screaming in pain from anyone touching him.
Vegeta was catching hands from Gohan even AFTER being hit by a SPIRIT BOMB
This is the end of the discussion, man. Goku was worse.
Not at all, firstly PLs were never linear, and they will never be, so the PL multiplier thing proves nothing...
Yeah, but that's a 2x multiplier at best. Not 10x. But even then, I disagree with any increase as we have... Well, an official statement that the form is slow.
Vegeta was caught off-guard by Kaioken x2 and then immediately dominated Goku once he got serious, so comparable is the wrong word here...
Oozaru Vegeta is faster than Goku... Just like... Regular Vegeta.
So yeah, it's not a feat that proves anything. I don't know why OP thinks this is supporting evidence.
We have an official statement that the Oozaru form is slow compared to the power increase. All you guys did was proving that Kaioken x5 Goku wouldn't make a difference and all the evidence there is Oozaru Vegeta being faster than Goku.
Kaioken x5 Goku wouldn't be able to move a muscle either and...
そういう "such; like that", 無理 "impossible; unreasonable", ばかり "only", し conjunctive form of the verb "to do", とる (toru) "to take"
King Kai is basically saying Goku can't take things to such an unreasonable extent, meaning exerting himself too much, that's what caused his delayed Ki.
This is inaccurate in many ways and seems to be machine translated.
The original Japanese text does not mention asthma at all. The correct translation should be "It's not delayed onset psychosis.", meaning a chi disease called delayed onset. Also
"It's a condition in which you lose control of...
It's "pushing yourself", meaning exerting too much stamina, which is related to the fact Goku was reckless with Kaioken. It, in no way, says anything about forcing himself into the future
The multiplier is nothing, it's unknown. You can't say what it is or what it isn't. Lmao.
Oh just so you know, even if it had a multiplier, the 2-C feat is so overwhelmingly stronger as proof that the multiplier itself would be a meaningless contradiction, Dragon Ball is consistently 2-C. This...
That's not Super Saiyan God's multiplier. That's Vegito's multiplier, which God scales up. You can't use that example.
"Hey, you can't use multipliers as a contradiction, what about these other series who have the same problem", the very definition of whataboutism.
Or maybe you don't know what...
Oh yes, let's take the graph, which was made to show a simplified event, literally. The earth will also only be divided into 4 little pieces that aren't even close to its full size.
Yeah, no, I disagree.
The problem we have with that is that it kind of opens the door for Immeasurable Speed Dragon Ball. Which is a problem, because this is not a feat of immeasurable speed. In the future, if something as small as a summer ant shows up as evidence in any canon Dragon Ball media, they WILL use the...
What type of bs is this "immeasurable speed is a spectrum", NO IT IS NOT.
I mean, yes, you can put a scaling chain on it, but the bare minimum of the speed value is that you are unbound by time as a concept because you can move through it freely. That's the bare minimum.
This is contradicted by the way the ability is shown, so I won't dwell on it, sometimes Goku can just move between jumps.
Honestly, if he just freezes your perception of time for 0.5 seconds, and then that 0.5 seconds actually passes, he's... just waiting, to be honest, that's not really time...