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  1. Rodri_"Dante"

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could...

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could help? https://vsbattles.com/threads/this-thing-i-dont-understand-about-sans-ap.135001/
  2. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    But like, every example we have of a monster both using projectiles and physically attacking you has the monster deal about the same damage. That's not my prefered solution. What I want is for Sans' page to take an interpretation for him dealing 1 point of damage to Frisk while ignoring their...
  3. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Also, not sure of how much sense makes separating physicals from magic with a race that is made out of magic.
  4. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Guys, let me recap the arguments for why Sans' page is the way it is: "Sans' telekinesis deals one point of damage like any of his other attacks and is also done with magic, why is it rated higher than his other attacks?" "That's because Sans regular attacks ignore Frisk defense in order to...
  5. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Sans using magic to move a bone produces way less joules than Sans using magic to move a child.
  6. Rodri_"Dante"

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could...

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could help? https://vsbattles.com/threads/this-thing-i-dont-understand-about-sans-ap.135001/
  7. Rodri_"Dante"

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could...

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could help? https://vsbattles.com/threads/this-thing-i-dont-understand-about-sans-ap.135001/
  8. Rodri_"Dante"

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could...

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could help? https://vsbattles.com/threads/this-thing-i-dont-understand-about-sans-ap.135001/
  9. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I linked to the check stats of Greater Dog and Vulkin, showing that a monster can attack you without meaning to harm you. I have no idea why people are having a hard time seeing the images, I'm just linking to the images shown in that blog that has all of Undertale's...
  10. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    As I was writting my response, I came to the conclusion I just don't care anymore. I'm not "sad" or "frustrated", just... drained. I cannot bother to write down why I disagree with your explanations anymore. I guess I'll just wait for more people to reply, and see of other people have the...
  11. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    ??? "Technical"? Something that meets the criteria to be considered something is that something. At what point does the game say that an attack is exclusively harmful things contained within bullet patterns and nothing else? Because last I checked, this is called an attack. Again, does harming...
  12. Rodri_"Dante"

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could...

    I had this question, and I keep finding problems with the answers given so far. Think you could help? https://vsbattles.com/threads/this-thing-i-dont-understand-about-sans-ap.135001/
  13. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Ok, I think I'm feeling better now. An attack is an action done with the intent of harming someone or something (Though not always). This is an attack, this is an attack, and this is an attack. And even if you somehow argue that that last one shouldn't be considered an attack (Even though is...
  14. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Thank you.
  15. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Wow, I feel bad. Like, physically bad. I have a cold and my body is in pain, I'm in no condition to keep going in this thread for now. Do we close it or what?
  16. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Do you undersand how invincibility frames work? No, I don't mean in Undertale, I mean in videogames in general. You get hit, your invincibility frames kick in. If something damages you, whatever it might be, your invincibility frames will be triggered. If you want to claim that something that...
  17. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    I like the implication that slamming someone against a wall would have a different result to slamming a wall against someone. So the 9-A should be removed from Sans' profile. Well, I'm sure you have examples to back that up, right? Cool, I'm still not comparing the attacks, but it's effects.
  18. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Buddy, you said: AKA, impact against a physical object can't trigger invncibility frames. I showed you instances of impact against physical objects triggering invincibility frames. Then it doesn't matter how much effort Sans puts into his attacks, he will always deal the same damage. Pick one...
  19. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Yes, we do. I'm sorry, did you just say that Sans has an attack potency of 0 joules? What? It does. You can see it. Unless ignoring invincibility frames ISN'T ignoring durability. I'm not comparing attacks, I'm comparing the effects of attacks
  20. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Here: Not sure why you couldn't see it.
  21. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    I see the image perfectly.
  22. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    So the argument is that only contact with magical attacks (Or bullets, as Flowey and the Library call them) triggers invincibility frames, right? That's... what? Shouldn't the wording be along the lines of "9-A after several uses of Telekinesis" or something like that then? Ok, I'll refrase...
  23. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Ok. By ignoring invincibility frames like his TK does, right? Ok. Ok, I see I have to refrase: When gauging power of a character, we don't take into account the means to pull of a feat (As long as it is feasible in a fight), but it's end result. So for example, if you damage a character that...
  24. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Fair, though is weird that you call Sans' attacks 9-B when they are rated 10-B outside of telekinesis. Again, why are you saying that dealing 1 point of damage against Frisk is the justification for his telekinesis to be 9-A, while saying that dealing 1 point of damage is the justification for...
  25. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Charmander. Buddy. Please stop and read. The propouse of this thread is to answer a question: Why is telekinesis, which is magic and deals as much damage as any other of Sans' attacks, considered to be so much stronger? Your answer was that Sans' regular attacks only deal the minimum ammount...
  26. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    That's not what I said. I said, based on the information you gave me, that the 9-A in Sans profile shouldn't be there because 9-A is used to measure AP, not LS Hey hey hey hey hey! Don't change what the hax is mid argument. Is either telekinesis or is gravity manipulation. Yes, that minimum...
  27. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Ok, slight correction: Touching Sans' attacks for one frame deals 1 damage, AND adds 6 points of karma. However, the draining effect of karma kicks in several frames after you already take damage, so karma is not what allows Sans to deal 1 damage. This video shows it best (Use "," and "." to...
  28. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    And we don't even need this, the game states that Sans can deal 1 damage.
  29. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    By dealing one damage, which in other instances is used to show that a character barely got hurt.
  30. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    So it isn't 9-A because that's an AP measurement and not a LS measurement. Then where does the KE come from?
  31. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    So you're saying that his telekinesis shouldn't be 9-A because it deals one point of damage.
  32. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Umm... Newton's third law? The force Frisk is enduring when hitting the wall/floor/ceiling is equivalent to the force their body is exerting on the wall/floor/ceiling, which comes from Sans telekinesis.
  33. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Ok, why is his magic stronger than his magic?
  34. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    His telekinesis doesn't have karma, but it also doesn't trigger invencibility frames.
  35. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    Well, for me it doesn't even make sense to make a physical/magical distinction when Sans IS made out of magic, but that's a topic I don't want to discuss here.
  36. Rodri_"Dante"

    This thing I don't understand about Sans' AP

    ...telekinesis for being able to harm Frisk with it. So I'm wondering why his telekinesis is considered so much stronger than his other attacks when: *Is done with magic like any of his other attacks (Unless the implication is that his telekinesis is not magic). *It deals the same damage as any...
  37. Rodri_"Dante"

    Frisk and Photoshop Flowey should not be Tier 8

    So we both have problems with the opposition but we need to shut up? No thanks, that's not how you reach a conclusion.
  38. Rodri_"Dante"

    Frisk and Photoshop Flowey should not be Tier 8

    If DT is Soul Power, and Asriel had enough power to take down the entire village, he had to be determined. If he wasn't determined, then he shouldn't have access to that power. Despite everything but Asriel's motivation to go to the Surface (Which is something only he and Chara knew) matching...
  39. Rodri_"Dante"

    Frisk and Photoshop Flowey should not be Tier 8

    Because everyone and their mother is saying that DT is Soul Power. Stick to it or drop it, don't do both. And I doubt that that those monsters saw Asriel leaving Chara's corpse in the center of the village, him not fighting back or him smiling and returning. Almost as if they knew more than...
  40. Rodri_"Dante"

    Frisk and Photoshop Flowey should not be Tier 8

    Also, who are you talking to? The staff members that gave input went back to the shadow realm, and no one else can close this.
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