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  1. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    Sorry, it's... it's been a while since I touched this site. :S I do stand by my previous post, though, since no one has given any counterarguments (from what I can see) and I haven't changed my mind on it myself. Other than that, I'm lost on what exactly we're doing here.
  2. KingPin0422

    The Multiversal Undertale CRT

    For the reset stuff, there are two details that might be worth considering: Following a true reset, you are given the option to rename Chara, something that doesn't happen after a regular reset - it simply reuses the name you gave originally, saying "A name has already been chosen." The only...
  3. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    For the "separate spacetimes" thing, that comment from DontTalk that Agnaa posted up there simply says that two universes A and B are spatio-temporally separate if and only if there are no points in space or time that are in both A and B. Under this definition, timelines that branch off of each...
  4. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    That being said, I thought of a counterexample I can use against DT's argument, one that was conveniently pointed out to me already: Nonexistent Physiology. There, the second and third "nature types" simply require either being neither existent nor nonexistent (a gap) or being both existent and...
  5. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    Specifying that a character's nonduality has to also be transcendent and that it otherwise has no inherent consequences in a combat situation doesn't feel right, because in that case, any potential applications of transduality aren't from "being nondual" so much as they are from "being...
  6. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    Well, since I lost interest in doing my draft (although I can try to pick it back up again later), I can only suggest that Transduality should be renamed to Nonduality. Even setting aside the age-old argument of "nondual" being the proper term in philosophy and theology, it seems that we are...
  7. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    I actually agree, and I was going to account for that in my draft.
  8. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    Shoot... I forgot about this. I'll see if I can't whip up something real quick.
  9. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    Update: it's late here, I will be going out with some work buddies tomorrow, and I will most likely just want to relax on my off day after that, so please wait a few more days for my draft page. 🤞
  10. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    Basically, for any statement A said about the character, should A being both true and false (a "glut") be classified separately from A being neither true nor false (a "gap")? Can you explain why you think it's more relevant for NEP than Transduality? Don't they often intersect, anyway? I'm not...
  11. KingPin0422

    Undertale CRT: Low 1-C Player

    After reading some discussion about this topic and participating in it myself a bit, I'm changing my vote to agreement.
  12. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    Quick question: does anyone think it might help to divide "is both A and not A" from "is neither A nor not A" for the purposes of Transduality classification? While they are kinda similar in principle, I feel like they'd have different applications in a combat scenario, and we also already...
  13. KingPin0422

    The remains of the Tiering Revision, part 3

    This is my suggested wording for the new type 4: The new type 2/3 would be adjusted accordingly if this receives enough support.
  14. KingPin0422

    No problem!

    No problem!
  15. KingPin0422

    The Self-Reference Engine Introduction Thread (Actually a cosmology discussion)

    Very belated, but I already gave my evaluation here, Ant.
  16. KingPin0422

    This looks nothing like string theory. The "dimensions" in this case seem to just be parallel...

    This looks nothing like string theory. The "dimensions" in this case seem to just be parallel universes, as evidenced by A) them being called the "Human/Machine/etc. World" and B) the Human World being treated as the fourth of these dimensions as opposed to the third (it's the fourth to the left...
  17. KingPin0422

    Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

    Sacchan has an extremely questionable profile picture. Just... see it for yourself.
  18. KingPin0422

    The Self-Reference Engine Introduction Thread (Actually a cosmology discussion)

    Looks great, Ultima! The one suggestion I have is to expand on "Comprises all possible character strings" in the Self-Reference ENGINE's AP description.
  19. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    Oh, I wouldn't say these are my ideas, per se. I believe Ultima was the one who initially felt that tier 2 is flawed, with Aeyu and myself following suit. But yeah, I'll keep that in mind.
  20. KingPin0422

    Type 5 Acausality Rewording

    Just gonna remind everyone of our official explanation of Immeasurable Speed: (although I hear DontTalk has problems with it anyway so)
  21. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    You know, Pain, me and a couple other people have plans to change tier 2 because we see it as inaccurately defined, and your idea actually happens to sort of fit what we want to do. I don't want to go into more detail at the moment, though.
  22. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    My opinion is that the first and third scenarios should just be 3-A, and the second one should be "At least 3-A, possibly 2-C." What about cases where we know that time was affected, but not that the universes are separate spacetimes, though?
  23. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    Bump.
  24. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    Oh. Well, then... I guess we'll have to continue without him?
  25. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    As in, connected by space and time? I already know that, because my post up there talked about that in detail.
  26. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    I can't fully comprehend your post, but I'll try to decipher it as well as I can. The first thing sounds like you're saying Tegmark argued that quantum universes would be separated by space and time. If so, do you know where he stated this? The second thing is something I already know: we have...
  27. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    To add on to my previous post, I'd also like to note this excerpt from The Universes of Max Tegmark: The idea being expressed here is simply that in a type I, II, or III multiverse, all of the universes were created from the same Big Bang, with the added detail that a level II multiverse would...
  28. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    So, I did a small amount of research on multiverse theory, and I found that the concept of a bubble multiverse stems from the theory of eternal inflation, which in simple terms posits that the inflation (extreme exponential expansion) of space continues forever in most of the universe, but also...
  29. KingPin0422

    The Self-Reference Engine Introduction Thread (Actually a cosmology discussion)

    If at all possible, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get another translator to double-check this stuff, would it? The native Japanese speaker gave some pretty compelling stuff, but just in case...
  30. KingPin0422

    The Self-Reference Engine Introduction Thread (Actually a cosmology discussion)

    After reading the conversation between Ant and the other person, I'm inclined to agree with the conclusion that Ultima reached. The question is, where does the Self-Reference Engine scale in relation to the 0=1 axiom?
  31. KingPin0422

    A very simple upgrade for mahlo cardinals.

    May I ask what you'd use to quantify High 1-A and 0, then, if not large cardinals?
  32. KingPin0422

    A very simple upgrade for mahlo cardinals.

    Honestly, this whole thread is kind of moot to begin with, for the simple reason that we lack an official mathematical definition of 0. It's just "you exceed the mathematical foundation of High 1-A just as it exceeds the foundation of everything below it," but unlike High 1-A which we clearly...
  33. KingPin0422

    A very simple upgrade for mahlo cardinals.

    The real big brain move is to define tier 0 by V=Ultimate L. 👀 In all seriousness, I can't follow this thread anymore, so I'm just going to step away for a while...
  34. KingPin0422

    A very simple upgrade for mahlo cardinals.

    I dunno about you, but equalizing characters who are qualitatively beyond an infinite High 1-A hierarchy to 1-inaccessible sounds logical if High 1-A is based on inaccessible cardinals. Besides, right now it's not clear what exactly we are treating as the baseline for tier 0. We just assume...
  35. KingPin0422

    A very simple upgrade for mahlo cardinals.

    phew I can't believe I read all of that... Anyway, every point I could have made for why Mahlo cardinals don't work for baseline 0 has already been accounted for, more or less. I might also add that at the moment, the written description for tier 0 doesn't give any examples of "objects which...
  36. KingPin0422

    Serious High 1-B Question/Rant

    This is your first mistake: simply containing a High 1-B structure does not make anything Low 1-A. Think of it like this: the set of naturals is encompassed by the set of integers, which is in turn a subset of the rationals, and yet all three of these sets have the same size. Similarly, the set...
  37. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    Small nitpick with the end of that last post: a better way to describe it would be "Should we edit the tiering system page to reflect our current standards, or should we update our standards to be accurate to what's written in the tiering system?" But yeah, I support the latter option. Just...
  38. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    Eh? Why not? I thought we required different universes to be separate space-time continua to qualify for the multiverse tiers, which they wouldn't be under a quilted multiverse.
  39. KingPin0422

    The Self-Reference Engine Introduction Thread (Actually a cosmology discussion)

    I don't necessarily agree with Ultima's tiering. The multiverse being High 1-A is fine (provided the translation is accurate since that's being contested), but my point of contention is with his tiering of the hierarchies beyond it. In my opinion, something which is inaccessible to an infinite...
  40. KingPin0422

    Tier 2 Requirements and Examples Revision

    I agree that we should write down some standards for determining the nature of multiverses in fiction, particularly when it comes to quilted and bubble multiverses. I believe we default to multiverses being the latter unless proven otherwise, so...
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