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> Did the cast fight him outside of his dimension? Yes. Demigra pulled them out of his chest.
That was because he wasn't done absorbing the multiverse just yet.
Trunks, the Kaioshin of time, and Old Kaioshin awaken in a dark void. Scenes of their battles in other timelines hover around them in fog-like wisps. The Kaioshin of Time explains that Mechikabura is absorbing time itself. Old Kaioshin asserts that they need to find a way out . . . Demigra pulls...
No offense but the ungodly amounts of cherrypicking going on in this thread are incredible.
Absorbed numberless timelines, was going to absorb the entire multiverse, couldn't be destroyed without wiping out the timelines he had absorbed, the portion of the multiverse he had consumed had to be...
> You can have HD manipulation and still only be 3D. You can also have reality/time/space manipulation and still be just 3D
That is basic common sense, but irrelevant, since it isn't quite the argument. The point is that Mechikabura literally absorbed all space and time into his being, which...
> Appealing authority will not change the fact that This contradict what is written in the wiki
Was this meant to be a counter-argument to anything? I am using what is written in the wiki.
> Since it is pretty explained can you post it? Because it is not, they just said that he has an...
> My goodness Kep he wasn't inside himself. They fought him on the outside. Demigra pulled the cast outside of him
I'm fairly sure the fight took place in the Demon Realm, which is part of Universe 7, and thus part of Mechikabura. If you concede that Demigra pulled them out of Mechikabura's...
> Mechikabura has shown literally zero evidence of any essence, avatar, true form, or whatever,
Assuming that Mechikabura was physically appearing inside the multiverse he just absorbed into himself, it's obvious that he is manifesting through an 'avatar' body, especially considering he was...
> Is Mechikabura fighting Arceus or something?
This thread would have derailed into an attempt to downgrade him to 2-C if that were the case.
(I'm not entirely serious.)
> No, it just gives 4D manipulation of said concepts.
No, this is wrong. All the multiverse would exist as part of Mechikabura. This is quite literally the same thing as claiming that your cells being 4-D wouldn't make you 4-D.
The '3-D' characters that interact with Mechikabura eat threats to entire timelines for breakfast every other week and are very explicitly capable of affecting 4-dimensional characters outside their own dimensionality.
> Yes he absorbed it and has it inside him, but their no evidence that he fused with it and his existence expanded to be Omnipresent throughout all of what was once Time, all it shows is he has a 2-B Pocket Dimension and has the power of all those Timelines.
This is needlessly strict and makes...
> Regardless of whether or not Vegito punching him is a anri-feat its more a problem that he has zero feats or statements of Higher Dimensional Existence or Omnipresence
"This is history. All of time is within Mechikabura."
Mechikabura absorbed the entirety of the 4-D multiverse into himself...
> Trunks yes, Vegito no, it was just regular Ki and Physical attacks on his end.
I. Mechikabura had been weakened by Trunks's sword.
II. And since when isbeing hit by Vegito an anti-feat anyway? Mechi's higher-D existence only extends to being 4-D. SSJ4 Goku, one of Vegito's components, can...
Since when being hit in your 'physical' state precluded you from being omnipresent outside it?
The sword does not need to be omnipresent to be capable of damaging Mechikabura's essence.
I'm not interested in restarting this endlessly circular "no it isn't"ism with people in here, sorry.
I already made my summary and replied to all the relevant points people tried to use, so at this stage, I'd appreciate that people attempted to actually argue or make a response, since that's...
What about Mechikabura having a physical form precludes him from being omnipresent? If he absorbed all time and space and became one with the Demon Realm for every universe he obviously possesses some level of omnipresence.
The Great Will (Big Will, or even Divine Will), released by the Big Bang, collided with fragments of the universe, forming the stars that shine in the sky and the vacuum of the space which we alive.
Their combat force, however, surpassed that of the knights of Athena. It was believed that it...
I agree that it's dishonest and in bad faith.
His main account should receive an extended ban, at the very least, and his sockpuppet should be perma-banned.
I don't think any voids in fiction would qualify for the 'it needs to be implied to be a speed feat' standard, and the differentiation between 'moving in a void that predates time' and 'moving where time does not exist' is arbitrary at best.
> Actually, the difference is that, time does exist but you're simply outside of time in one where as the other is just time didn't exist to begin with.
If you are traversing a void outside time, that means it is a void that lacks time, where any actions that could be taken would be timeless...
This entire 'Immeasurable or Infinite' discussion, aside from being eons-old and already sorted in the actual page, is irrelevant to the subject. The thread is about tightening the standards for moving within them being considered a speed feat to begin with, not about the exact level of 'fast'...
Why would any of that be better? That is extremely arbitrary. It's the exact same feat, just spiced up with more irrelevant flowery language about 'chaos' and 'creator gods'.
If we're going to revise these feats, we will have to wipe every single 'timeless void' Infinite speedster.