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  1. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Base Servant Stats Revisions

    I am not sure where I agreed in any sense with you. What Nasu says doesn't matter if it contradicts what happens in the series. What he says also doesn't change adaptations being secondary canon, not primary. I really doubt you even tried to read anything I said. If that is true, bring up the...
  2. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Base Servant Stats Revisions

    And it sounds perfectly reasonable to me that it really doesn't matter, because we don't assume animes aren't supervised by their authors. Does this change the fact that secondary canon is secondary? It really doesn't. Edit: Just to clarify, anime being supervised or not matters practically...
  3. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Base Servant Stats Revisions

    I don't know, it has been a while since I read that section. Which is why I said you can try looking it up. I myself wanna check the scene later, but right now am already busy with other stuff. My point is that using the secondary canon instead of the primary shouldn't be done if you haven't...
  4. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Then yeah, that can't be used. If it was outright Anti-God, scaling it off to one of the standard Olympus 12 would be easier.
  5. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    A little unrelated Lehen but, do tell me, is the Kanji that Vasavi uses "God" or "Divine Spirit"? If you do know at least. I remember there was a clear distinction made, even in Olympus. They mention Arjuna as a Divine Spirit who could be affected by the lessening of his faith, while the...
  6. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Borderland Calcs nee-oh god these pretzels suck

    I am trash with calculations, so I genuinely don't think so. The best chance I can see is trying in the calc requesting thread, which I am pretty sure should still exist?
  7. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Base Servant Stats Revisions

    Yes? We treat any adaptation as canon, but as secondary canon. The source, which is the LN, is the primary canon. If the LN and the anime differ in some way, we default for the LN. I also wanted to check the LN for the casual melting a massive hole feat from Karna when activating VS, but most...
  8. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Base Servant Stats Revisions

    Use the light novel, instead of the anime. Anime already took a lot of liberties, like making Mordred tank Blasted Tree instead of teleporting out of its range and only taking some of it.
  9. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Yeah, but we don't know literally anything about the Hindu Gods. The most we can go off on is Arjuna Alter, and he is a mingle of each and every one of them at the same time. The best I can see VS getting is "Possibly (whatever tier the top gods are)" by assuming that it can kill any God, no...
  10. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Lehen, again, I don't care about it being 2-B or 2-A right now. That's not what I am arguing, not the main topic I am tackling, and it has nothing to do with the thread so is best not to derail with it. What I am talking about, is the people that DO scale to 2-A. The issue is the scaling to it...
  11. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Borderland Calcs nee-oh god these pretzels suck

    Then yeah, would need to find someone that could help putting a size to him, then doing the calc.
  12. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    I mean, he never fights Sefar until the end. None do, if my memory is right. The small Altera is just a Servant, the actual Sefar is the big one. And Archimedes does all he can to keep her safe for his plans. Edit: The issue with Karna is that the only thing he ever kills that can be called a...
  13. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Base Servant Stats Revisions

    Jeanne never fought him directly, and never dealt any damage that wasn't minimal and healed in a second. Like, the dude did a ******* Anti-Fortress level attack as his last move which Jeanne only survived because of her uber shield, which is an NP. Her scaling is nonsense.
  14. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    For the same reason we, as a wiki, have no issue disregarding the pokemon encyclopedia statements that make no sense, but using the ones that do. You don't discard the whole thing if there's issues. It is a canon entry no matter what, so things that make sense should be fair game. There's a...
  15. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Because the first option makes no sense, and the second is just lazy. Sefar not being 2-A but having 2-A absorption, until she gets bigger, makes perfect sense though. She's not a full threat until she grows big enough, but dealing any damage because of her absorption is hard. It fits with her...
  16. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Borderland Calcs nee-oh god these pretzels suck

    Tags don't work if you aren't staff- This is the biggest loader dude that gets shot at us for a fight, then?
  17. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    @PsychoWarper Thanks. I am mainly gathering stuff for the sake of Adam, since it scales to Ivan which scales to Zeus. Vasavi has the issue of only really being used on Sefar (am talking here about being used against beings on this level of power. Is used in other instances, sure, but this is...
  18. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    My entire point is that the other Olympians shouldn't have the "Likely 2-A" either... And that nothing indicates Caenis or the others knew the true power of Zeus, who even at the very beginning of Olympus, is hyped up as above the other Olympians and directly compared to the likes of Arjuna...
  19. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Gathering stuff and gonna answer this later. A bit busy at the moment.
  20. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    My point is made though. Sefar is in her Third Stage of growth, nowhere near the 7th stage where she's compared to 9 Tailed Tamamo. She gets killed by Excalibur, and by an Anti-Planet NP powered by the Roman Goddess of Love Diana after Nero connects to her with the power of the Moon Cell. The...
  21. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Immeasurable speed characters updating

    I see. Not sure I'll be able to keep good track of the thread even though I am interested, but I'll try.
  22. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Immeasurable speed characters updating

    I wanted to ask, is the stuff about "tier 2 is technically immeasurable due to the nature of the feat" resolved? Because that seems to be mainly an issue of differentiating what constitutes a feat as speed instead of AoE, or AoE instead of speed. Or has this been better defined already?
  23. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Or... he warned her about it because it is what killed her much more powerful counterpart on Earth, and it is the one weapon she can't absorb at all? If we decided to assume, even though nothing indicates it, that Gil said so because she has a weakness, that was towards Small Altera. That one...
  24. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    So... a Servant trait, a natural factor by which their Servant incarnations are affected by their legends, to the point they can be warped by them like Innocent Monster shows, somehow affects an Extraterrestrial lifeform? An Extraterrestrial Lifeform that was never killed by Excalibur even...
  25. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Except Saber also kills Sefar, and all she has on her side is that Excalibur isn't absorbed by Sefar, unlike basically everything else. Or that Nero also kills her with what is classified as an Anti-Planet NP. Most damning of all, Sefar is no even close to the full gigantic size she would have...
  26. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    That's exactly what I am discussing about though- VS has no reason being 2-A, neither does Kavacha and Kundala. And as reasoning for why, Sefar's(the one in Extella, not the full power one from antiquity) dubious 2-A status is put into question as that's the entire reason VS has 2-A. I don't...
  27. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Avicebron I imagine is because Adam wasn't instantly destroyed by the Mammoth. Issue is- -> Caenis' comparison was before anyone knew what Zeus' true power was. Before his battle, each of his lightning strikes is said to have as much power as Artemis' laser, and that's him just being casual and...
  28. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Considering all the issues I've seen with Extella's translation... I would genuinely much prefer seeing the direct Japanese, to be frank. And yes, this is about the NPs. My only point was concerning Kavacha and Kundala 2-A endurance being nonsense, and scaling Sefar VS to 2-A off of Sefar is an...
  29. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    There is nothing said about Goetia in comparison to Sefar, or any of the Beasts either. Not that I remember at least. Regardless, the only reason Karna has 2-A dura is surviving like... a few seconds (?) from Alter Arjuna's NP. Surviving a few seconds shouldn't earn anybody 2-A, especially when...
  30. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Also, since it technically has to do with an NP- Let's remove the 2-A from Karna's dura if that's alright. The quote I already put on the other thread has You outright saying Karna would have been hurt by Balmung without using Mana Burst. Not very 2-A.
  31. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Odysseus (Rider) Wiki Addition

    The wikia can be used when proper citations can be found and checked since those tend to be pretty completely alright. Otherwise, is best not to even worth discussing the wikia.
  32. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Romulus-Quirinus Profile

    There's no baseless assumption, though, if we just add from what happens in the story. Because, obviating the fact that the story is obviously canon, that's the standard procedure. If later clarification justifies a change to the abilities and powers, then so it will be done. But there's no...
  33. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    I already talked about it. To quote myself: In reference to the other tier 6 NP stuff.
  34. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Odysseus (Rider) Wiki Addition

    Unless they have citations you can find please, for the love of God, never use the wikia.
  35. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Romulus-Quirinus Profile

    No. These profiles should really be looked at and questioned before just adding. But making a profile before the mats translation is not by it's lonesome an issue. Like with any profile, additions or modifications can be easily done after.
  36. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Romulus-Quirinus Profile

    Oh, almost forgot... Hard no to that Abstract Existence Type 2. "Conceptualized as the ultimate being" is nowhere near enough to justify Abstract Existence.
  37. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    The big issue is that big AoE stuff in Nasuverse is not very widespread, and not even directly related to strength most of the time. As an example, Excalibur is among the strongest NPs, but it's AoE is terrible unless you only wanna destroy everything in a straight line because all of it's...
  38. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Romulus-Quirinus Profile

    A preliminary profile can be done with what happened in 5.2, after any formatting issues are dealt with. If anything needs to be changed after the fact, it can be done. But no, I wouldn't say Quirinus has Heracles' combat style. Nine Lives is a highly flexible martial technique through which...
  39. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Yeah, sorry I haven't been around, I have been mainly focusing on college. One thing I can recommend you is just to see discussion stuff in spacebattles and Beast Lair for the untranslated stuff. The main issue with Typemoon isn't even that the lore is confusing, 9 times out of 10 is just a bit...
  40. LSirLancelotDuLacl

    Nasuverse: Noble Phantasm Revisions

    Is not even about Earth being a strange thing, is just that Enuma Elish, or full power Ea blast, is dangerous because it ***** with space-time and reality. That's Dura Neg no matter how you word it, it has no business having an AP value. Not to mention the fact that Gilgamesh already used it...
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