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  1. Alonik

    J.M. DeMatteis (Marvel Cosmology Split)

    Why doesn't this thread take into account the approved argument about Marvel's cosmologies not needing to be splited, because of the diagram of change that was made in one of the threads by Ultima? I don't know if he agrees with this thread or not, but I remember that there was one or two...
  2. Alonik

    DC upgrade to H1B, L1A, 1A

    The Endless are in fact the creation of Yahweh (Cosmology as a whole), I recommend that you at least read the comic in question before quoting it. Destiny of the Endless is shown as the totality of the Map of the Multiverse, and this is confirmed in Lucifer Vol 1 #52, where Lucifer claims...
  3. Alonik

    DC upgrade to H1B, L1A, 1A

    Because everything wrote here are to be fair, are not fit to be upgraded to these tiers. The Wikia has discussed all these scans countless times, and have dealt with arguments that are more complex and better put together than yours. I don't mean to be rude, but it's a vicious cycle, people...
  4. Alonik

    Misconception about the Overvoid

    I agree with this too, i just don't agree with the "its immaculate perfection can be tainted by duality", although i agree with overvoid outside, and Overvoid becoming a duality with the flaw, i mean, it is straightforward said that the flaw was born inside the Overvoid being everything that the...
  5. Alonik

    For black winter

    In any case, shouldn't every being from the Outside have BDE type 2? They are essentially superior to Multi-Eternity which, even the universal Eternity has "every" level of spacetime (everything in the "universe") which are just figment of its Eternal imagination, and they also lack what...
  6. Alonik

    For black winter

    In Marvel does, actually, here's the whole explanation in Marvel Comics Cosmology Page, any being who sprung forth from this place has "the complete absence of time, space or being, and lacks any concepts as they are understood in the omniverse."
  7. Alonik

    Misconception about the Overvoid

    Probe in which is a extension of Monitor, in that given context, Dax Novu, As I've already shown here through Multiversity: Guidebook. Sure, and i've already adressed that. Sure, and I've replied all your points, go back and answer properly, all you have done is "my points debunks yours" while...
  8. Alonik

    Misconception about the Overvoid

    The scan don't say that. The Cave and the Book of Limbo describe the Over-void very well, in fact there's no reason why they shouldn't, they're the only records within the comic that give the reader a good reliable narrative, but apparently only the same lines you use are unreliable when...
  9. Alonik

    Misconception about the Overvoid

    No i don't agree with that, however i agree with the big picture that you're trying to reach. The Cave and the Book of Limbo is refering to both the Over-void and Dax Novu, though the dual references are just pointed out when they're talking about Dax Novu, while both of them make it clear that...
  10. Alonik

    Misconception about the Overvoid

    My apologies, because you didn't quote any of them, and apparently, what you quotes in the beginning of the text, it seemed like an agreement with Xearsay against what I said at the same moment that i was writing my points.
  11. Alonik

    Misconception about the Overvoid

    To quote yourself: This argument is only convenient for you and him when it leaves room for another character to be upgraded, isn't it? The first thing I agreed with was all of the above, my argument is precisely about what Dax Novu is and what Mandrakk is, since that is a whole hook on a half...
  12. Alonik

    Misconception about the Overvoid

    And at no point did I say that Mandrakk is not Dax Novu, I openly said that Mandrakk is the part of Dax Novu that felt contaminated. You did the same Strawman that you made up in the other thread, if you don't want to respond properly to what I said, that's fine, just don't pretend that I said...
  13. Alonik

    Misconception about the Overvoid

    I agree with everything about Overvoid, apart from the point that the book of limbo can't fully conceive the Overvoid, and this "Mandrakk is that part of Overvoid consciousness". I just had to point this out, because these long arguments about Mandrakk being part of the Over-void are always a...
  14. Alonik

    Quick revision for the Thought Robot/Mandrakk

    Solid enough, good job. I agree as well.
  15. Alonik

    Ryomen sukuna immortality addition

    It's more likely that he would die too, because when Itadori takes control and causes himself to die because he has no heart, it's said that if Sukuna hadn't revived him in time, Sukuna himself would have died too. So it's more of a "Sukuna can go a while longer without a heart than Itadori", on...
  16. Alonik

    Beyonder pre retcon up to 1A and possible H1A

    It's never even been said that the Beyonder has infinite dimensions outside the Beyond Realm.
  17. Alonik

    Beyonder pre retcon up to 1A and possible H1A

    I disagree. None of the scans say that the Beyond Realm is bigger than Infinite Dimensional, not even Kubik's and Cosmos', most only talk about how the Beyonder in a 3-D body limits his powers. After all, he was a being of infinite dimensions (Beyond Realm) and adopted a three-dimensional body.
  18. Alonik

    Vertigo Comics~The Void 1-A Upgrade

    No, because there isn't a evidence about being higher dimensional perspective, it's just how anything reflects itself, therefore if a creation which is Low 1-C/1-C reflects itself infinitely, it will just be a infinite amount of 1-C, which is still the same tier.
  19. Alonik

    Vertigo Comics~The Void 1-A Upgrade

    Agreed. This scan is more about how there are infinite moments of one thing happening: The encounter of the Presence with infinite lucifers of infinite creations.
  20. Alonik

    A Small Thor Update

    I think that should be in part 3, i'm sure there will be a bunch of things like that for the nature of the mystic realms
  21. Alonik

    A Small Thor Update

    I agree with pretty much everything, but I'll add a few things to back it up. In Thor's epic collection of the Worldengine, there is good and interesting interview. And in a Question to Mark Gruenwald (Editor), he claims that characters like Thor operate on such a level that their conflicts...
  22. Alonik

    Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)

    Here Seth stealing the name, title, worshippers, and even the image of the Elder God Set.
  23. Alonik

    Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)

    Er... Guys, i mean, this reasoning in seth profile isn't about Set(h) the God, it's rather about Set the Elder God. Seth the egyptian god tried to steal the image of the Elder God, but the serpent across every reality is an aspect of Set actually, no Set(h). I think this justification should...
  24. Alonik

    Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)

    i guess nyx should be left for the part 3 as well (since is god and myth stuff), though she already has a good overall scaling above most of the characters here.
  25. Alonik

    Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)

    I think that Protege will likely stay the same :unsure:
  26. Alonik

    Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2.5 of ?????)

    I agree with almost everything. Albeit just following for now.
  27. Alonik

    Saint Seiya 8th Sense 5D HDE Removal

    I was asked not to derail this thread with actual context about this, and now this has turned into a "but there are 2 staff agreeing and 2 disagreeing loop", instead of going straight to the arguments. I am neutral on this, but you promised a actual counter argue, right @TheUnshakableOne? If...
  28. Alonik

    Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2 of ????)

    Hickman also called the event of the incursions as "Multiverses, stacked side-by-side" and in another issue of the same run he also claims that was "The end of universes. The Collapse of Multiverses." Well, what I can say is that since long ago the Living Tribunal was an inner function of...
  29. Alonik

    Revising Marvel's Abstracts (Part 2 of ????)

    Ultima allowed me to comment. As someone who has helped little with this, and I finally got to see this work posted by Ultima's hands, I agree with most of this. I still have some cons, but this is canon and terminology stuff, I'll wait for the completion of the Tiering part before the "Who...
  30. Alonik

    Vertigo Cosmology Is High 1-A and The Presence is High 1-A, Lucifer possibly 0

    Then you should add to your Thread on how Silver City is made of filigree of silver, a great hosanna in stone and crystal and glass. And the city is only outside the universe for Mike Carry's comic, but not in a relationship of being bigger than the universe or higher dimensional of any kind...
  31. Alonik

    Bleach Lost Agent Arc AP/Dura Revisions ft. SAFWY [Chapters ~420-480]

    OFF topic, and I just want to know because I read over it, but why is ChatGPT a reference on this, could someone explain it to me or was it just a joke? :unsure: PS: it is a genuine question, I am not ironizing.
  32. Alonik

    Saint Seiya 8th Sense 5D HDE Removal

    The whole thing is about Soul ascension, the point is that Asmita has ascended his mind to the same dimension as Ilias' soul.
  33. Alonik

    Saint Seiya 8th Sense 5D HDE Removal

    It honestly doesn't matter. Whether it's consciousne or spiritual, it doesn't matter. I'm changing my vote to neutral because I disagree with the OP's arguments that don't directly refute anything, but I also disagree with HDE (5D) for other reasons that the chapters show, but it definitely has...
  34. Alonik

    DC Comics ~ Vertigo: Revising God tiers’ speed.

    It just says that he has broken the illusory veil of distance and time. There is nothing "space-time" about it.
  35. Alonik

    DC Comics ~ Vertigo: Revising God tiers’ speed.

    Time and distance being ilusion is just Infinite Speed, not immeasurable.
  36. Alonik

    Saint Seiya 8th Sense 5D HDE Removal

    I'll wait for folks to answer this, once those who support this come up with the counter-argument I'll formulate a better opinion on this.
  37. Alonik

    Saint Seiya 8th Sense 5D HDE Removal

    Yes, that part is right. That is why the "exist in multiple dimensions", which is to exist both on earth and on the spiritual plane, outside the cycle of life and death.
  38. Alonik

    Saint Seiya 8th Sense 5D HDE Removal

    Yes, I don't disagree. But that falls apart when the argument is structured in "The universe is Low 2-C, and Arayashiki is going beyond that Low 2-C universe by seeing the multiverse" through a pretty garbage translation of "multiple dimensions". If the argument were "The universe has 4D...
  39. Alonik

    Saint Seiya 8th Sense 5D HDE Removal

    You need to at least show a 4D space dimension for this. Not least because they did not leave the universe, Asmita makes it clear that they were still part of the universe even in that state. If they had left the entire space-time continuum as a whole it would be a maybe.
  40. Alonik

    Saint Seiya 8th Sense 5D HDE Removal

    I think there's something I'm missing, but it's not a mental state, it's rather a spiritual state. Maybe it's because of the poor english translations that put mental, after all the kanji for spirit and mind are the same.
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