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DB universe doesn't have 4 galaxies anymore. It was retconned. Broly was only shown destroying one.

Sir, if Broly destroyed only one galaxy inside the south quadrant, then why was king kai so scared? Why did king kai said that broly would destroy the north galaxies/quadrant too? Why would he find the need to call goku?
How would you explain the multiple universal satements that broly had?
What you are saying is pure headcanon.
Broly destroyed almost all of the south quadrant, and he was going to destroy the rest of the 3 quadrants too in his short lifespan. That's the truth!
Broly's creator himself said in one interview that he can bust galaxies.
Hopefully you understand.

Why wouldn't King Kai be scared of a guy who can destroy a galaxy in a short amount of time. If he can destroy one, he can surely destroy others and even his own. It's perfectly normal for him to be scared. The universe statement is an exaggeration. Same statements have been made for Freeza and Cell. It just means Broly is a threat to the universe, as in he can wipe out all life, which isn't hard for someone like Broly.

The creator of Broly never said that iirc. Please link to that statement, if available.

The difference is that, broly has a lifespan unlike cell, frieza and buu. If South and North are really quadrants then they are likely filled with billions of galaxies. If according to you, broly can destroy just 1 galaxy in over 20 years then he won't even be able to destroy 1% of the south quadrant let alone even touch the north quadrant. But that's not the case as king kai's statement hints towards an immediate threat toward all of the north quadrant.
Even if you downplay broly and say that he is only capable of wiping out the north and south quadrant in his lifetime, that would still put him at 3-B.
Regarding the koyama 3-B statement, I will try to find it.

My bad man. Did some searching and found out that the 3-B statement is not from koyama but from a guy named Shigeyasu Yamauchi.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Shigeyasu_Yamauchi?veaction=edit

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Shigeyasu_Yamauchi?veaction=edit

Since the "South Galaxy" in that statement was only referring to one galaxy, logically the "North Galaxy" would too. So yeah, King Kai was worried.
The destruction of the universe statement can be treated as exaggeration in that case which could just mean that Broly is a threat to the universe. We don't take these statements as proof of being 3-B or anything unless backed up by evidence, which in this case, comes from backtracking from a retcon and contradicts what was shown.

So if you believe that broly was destroying a south "galaxy" inside a south quadrant then which north galaxy are you refereing to? Under which quadrant is the north "galaxy" located?
You see how confusing this head canon becomes?
The south galaxy in the statement IS the entire quadrant. That is only thing one can say without making any assumptions.

Well, I am saying that there was only one south galaxy and one north galaxy. Which was retconned after DBS arrived. That's the only thing one can say with what one is shown without making assumptions.

So you just admitted that db universe pre dbs was 4 galaxy sized. Wouldn't that effect the rating of many gt characters?
And i kinda agree with you. The "Quadrant stuff" is somewhat headcannon since japanese doesn't have a different word for "galaxies"

More accurately, I wanted to say that the Daizenshuu statements should not be considered legitimate when it is contradictory. The same Daizenshuu also states that the universe is infinite, endless, expansive, etc.

So instead of using it to explain how the south galaxy is so many galaxies, we should just go by what is blatantly shown. What is shown is Broly destroying one galaxy. Disregarding the daizenshuu due to its contradictory nature, we would assume the DB universe to be the same as ours.

And if you want to look at it the other way, anything in canon also holds true for non-canon, but things specifically in non-canon don't scale back to the canon. So if you take the retcon route, the canon retcon would scale to everything non-canon and would mean that the DB universe has countless galaxies. But that does not change Broly's feat, because your interpretation of Broly's feat only comes from trying to make sense of the contradictory information in the Daizenshuu.

I disagree. The canon retron will only affect the canon continuity. It won't affect the toei continuity since toriyama was not involved.
To just convey my main point here is that: The cosmology of the dbz broly movies is the same as the gt cosmology since they are both part of toeiverse.
Also, South galaxy and south quadrant are the same thing. Unless you have some massive evidence to disprove this.
The daizenshuu never stated that the universe is infinite. It just stated that the galaxies exist infinitely and the universe is endlessly expanding, which means that the universe is very large, thats it.
All these arguments boil down to this now;
If you consider the south galaxy in the broly timeline to be a single galaxy, then this should apply to gt too.
This means we have 2 options:
1) Keep broly at 4-A but downgrade gt
2) Upgrade broly to 3-B and keep gt the way it is

Well, I disagree with you. The cosmology from the canon would obviously translate to the non-canon stuff unless the non canon stuff blatantly shows a different cosmology. Just because the movies never showed the kaioshin realm doesn't mean it suddenly doesn't exist there.

GT doesn't follow the movies. GT follows the Z anime. And only a few movies are canon to GT, not all. So Broly stuff won't affect it. And the cosmology will be the same as Z anime, which is the same as the manga, which is the same as DBS.

Also, South galaxy and south quadrant are the same thing. Unless you have some massive evidence to disprove this.

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Again, I am ignoring the Daizenshuu altogether due to its contradictory nature. So all I know is that Broly destroyed a single galaxy called the South Galaxy. That's all I know. There is nothing mentioned in the show about only four galaxies or quadrants, so it doesn't matter to me.