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Hello. We don't use the daizenshuu when it contradicts the series. There have been several instances where characters less than 2x stronger have stomped other characters. And several times where characters more than 2x stronger haven't. We don't accept any kind of "stomp" multiplier due to inconsistencies. Plus, the daizenshuu statement is about a ki barrier technique specifically.

Plus, according to the current standards, the "half 2-C" is more like "unquantifiably below 2-C" since a combo attack doesn't necessarily double the power. So none of the quantification would matter unless you that standard.

Hello, I don't want to extend this longer than necessary but I'll still reply.
There are instances where the 2x rule doesn't apply that's true. But it isn't a lot. And there are examples where it's consistent or doesn't contradict the rule. Example gohan losing to cell at half power but obliterating at full power. And examples where the rule isn't broken is vegeta vs goku where kaioken x3 goku is less than 2x vegeta but still beats him decisively but it's not a one shot victory. Because remember 2x is to cancel out the opponents ki completely and or not taking any damage at all so it's actually consistent and this applies for other examples as well. And while this may be for the barrier technique, the actual reason the barrier technique does this is because the ki is 2x the opponent and db wiki confirms this.
About the half 2-C stuff, we already came to the consensus that since we're downscaling from 2-C the gap is quantifiable between low 2-C of the GoDs and 2-C while the GoDs are unquantifiably above baseline low 2-C. So the difference between the GoDs and 2-C is indeed 2x and not unquantifiable but it's unquantifiable between the GoDs and baseline low 2-C.
I really tried not to write a lot but it's necessary to get the point across and there's more I wanna say, that's why I suggest opening that thread to discuss.

There are a lot of instances where the two times rule does not apply. A lot. Just one example that coincidentally fits the value isn't enough and even then I can argue with Gohan that with the ease he was stomping Cell, Gohan could be a bit weaker and would still have stomped because he had power to spare. Hell, even in Goku vs Vegeta, Goku's x4 Kamehameha barely did any serious damage to Vegeta.

As for the half 2-C thing, it doesn't matter whether they downscale, it's still unquantifiable according to the current standards.

I am sorry, I can't reopen the thread simply because you want to argue something inconsistent that we have already decided against using, or something that goes against the standard.

I am not talking about gohan vs cell normally (since SSJ2 may not be a 2x form) I am talking about the beam clash when gohan was losing at half power but at full power he won, Goku's 4x kamehameha literally doesn't contradict anything as goku's power level with it is 32,000 which is still not 2x vegeta, so it makes sense it didn't kill him but still overpowered him like I said before since you can still beat your opponent decisively without 2x difference. The only example I know where the 2x thing is contradicted is vegeta vs cui, other than that, any example with more than a 2x difference helps my case although most could still be explainable to fit within the rule.
The gap between low 2-C and 2-C is unquantifiable because we don't know the distance between universes, it doesn't mean it's always unquantifiable or unknowable though, in dbs' case, we know that the GoDs scale 2x less than 2-C which makes the gap between them and 2-C known, but the gap between them and baseline is still unquantifiable. This was already agreed upon and it fits your system.
I don't know if it's okay if I keep replying here, I don't wanna annoy you but I really don't want to give up on this CRT.

I am not talking about gohan vs cell normally (since SSJ2 may not be a 2x form) I am talking about the beam clash when gohan was losing at half power but at full power he won

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He was still at half power. He wasn't able to go full power.

we know that the GoDs scale 2x less than 2-C which makes the gap between them and 2-C known

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Again, according to the current standards, it can't be assumed they scale 2x less. Please read the multipliers page. Combination attacks like that currently don't mean 2x boost.