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It took characters like Paul and Jin to beat him, meanwhile mid tiers like Jun needed amps to barely beat him in T8 side story, vs wiki isnt accurate on the scaling whoch most of it is messed up due to you randomly picking up who was what tier on no basis or wrong ones

The ninjas and Dragunov arent top tiers, Raven didnt help Lars beat Azazel, else he wouldnt claim to Jin he took care of him, Raven isnt even mentioned and even in his Jin fight he has no Raven to help around

Once again you rush things through, i have the scaling down and other stuff already in place to release, you done enough issues ever since last year

High 6-B was x10 from Jack 6 old calc, not the statements, 5-B comes Azazel stuff which werent brought up for such a rating at the time

And you still left out other things, Jinpachi DR storm is a tier 6 feat existent before T8, jack robots power scaling and Tekken Force statements all in tier 6, let alone the Jack 6 meteor you lied had 7-A accepted by all calcers

Kazuya spinning and tossing Azazel by the tail wasnt worthy to you as lifting....Claudio shooting his arrow in space wasnt worthy for speed....you see how you miss things?

It took characters like Paul and Jin to beat him, meanwhile mid tiers like Jun needed amps to barely beat him in T8 side story, vs wiki isnt accurate on the scaling whoch most of it is messed up due to you randomly picking up who was what tier on no basis or wrong ones

We don't know how powerful Jun was before that amp so the fact that she needed one to defeat Ogre doesn't mean anything.

The ninjas and Dragunov arent top tiers, Raven didnt help Lars beat Azazel, else he wouldnt claim to Jin he took care of him, Raven isnt even mentioned and even in his Jin fight he has no Raven to help around

During the gameplay portion of that fight Raven helps the player defeat Azazel.

Your correct that Lars states to Jin that he beat Azazel alone.

I'm not sure why he said that.

It makes no sense to me why Raven would just stand around while Lars fights Azazel for the fate of the human race.

High 6-B was x10 from Jack 6 old calc, not the statements, 5-B comes Azazel stuff which werent brought up for such a rating at the time

I understand now.

And you still left out other things, Jinpachi DR storm is a tier 6 feat existent before T8, jack robots power scaling and Tekken Force statements all in tier 6, let alone the Jack 6 meteor you lied had 7-A accepted by all calcers

The currently accepted calc for Jinpachi's storm feat on Vs Battles Wiki is 7-A.

We've been through this already.

Which Tier 6 Tekken Force statements are you talking about?

What about the Jack-6 meteor feat did I lie about?

Kazuya spinning and tossing Azazel by the tail wasnt worthy to you as lifting....Claudio shooting his arrow in space wasnt worthy for speed....you see how you miss things?

Kazuya tossing Azazel would be Class K or M at best so there's no point in having it calced when Kazuya already scales to Paul and Law's much more impressive meteor strength feat.

When did Claudio shoot his arrow into space?

We don't know how powerful Jun was before that amp so the fact that she needed one to defeat Ogre doesn't mean anything.

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We actually know for your info, beating Wang, whom was evenly matched with Law, from bios you didnt knew about or read

Or the fact that Ogre looked for strong souls of fighters, Jun being one of them, let alone fighting Ogre in the Netflix anime, she still held her own against him even if she was not up to his league

Jin praises her as the strongest woman in the anime too, despite seeing Nina vs Xiaoyu, two mid tiers of the verse, Kazuya praises her as strong too in his T8 ending

During the gameplay portion of that fight Raven helps the player defeat Azazel.

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Gameplay =/= canon, you also have Raven help Lars vs Jin, yet Raven isnt seen around, Lars claims he himself beat him, he has nothing indicating to be a top tier, top tiers is only Mishimas (except Jinpachi and Kazumi), Azazel and Akuma

Your correct that Lars states to Jin that he beat Azazel alone.I'm not sure why he said that. It makes no sense to me why Raven would just stand around while Lars fights Azazel for the fate of the human race.

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Because its actually what happens canonically, Raven couldnt even beat Heihachi in his T6 prologue and had to retreat, let alone he was in shock and worried when he saw Heihachi alive in T5 Raven story

The currently accepted calc for Jinpachi's storm feat on Vs Battles Wiki is 7-A.

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Your Feng calc isnt accepted either as of now and Devil Jin feat didnt doesnt either technically atm, even now for no reason you ignore the T5 DR feat, which is literally the updated version of the game

Which Tekken Force statements are you talking about?

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Statements which you exist about how Tekken Force > UN forces and the rest of the world, in a WW3 where it would involve nukes and heavy weapons, let alone scaling from Gun Jack which they canonically killed

What about the Jack-6 meteor feat did I lie about?

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Claiming the tier 7 was accepted by more calcers, when there were others on tier 6 in there as much if not more, which you glossed over at that time

Kazuya tossing Azazel would be Class K or M at best so there's no point in having it calced when Kazuya already scales to Paul and Law's much more impressive meteor strength feat.

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Says you? On what basis is Kazuya spinning Azazel and tossing him in the air not worthy let alone assumed class K or M, you asked numerous Zangief calcs on lifting and all of them were Class M or so, which is equally as useless given the similar rating

When did Claudio shoot his arrow into space?

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T8 Xiaoyu ending, you even watched all T8 endings? Or you just looked at threads around found just Feng and Devil Jin and called it a day

We don't know how powerful Jun was before that amp so the fact that she needed one to defeat Ogre doesn't mean anything.

We actually know for your info, beating Wang, whom was evenly matched with Law, from bios you didnt knew about or read

Or the fact that Ogre looked for strong souls of fighters, Jun being one of them, let alone fighting Ogre in the Netflix anime, she still held her own against him even if she was not up to his league

Jin praises her as the strongest woman in the anime too, despite seeing Nina vs Xiaoyu, two mid tiers of the verse, Kazuya praises her as strong too in his T8 ending

When did Jun beat Law?

Tekken Bloodline is inconsistent with Tekken 8's canon so I don't think that it's a reliable source of scaling.

Jun luring Ogre to the Kazama Sanctum was never mentioned in Tekken Bloodline for example.

During the gameplay portion of that fight Raven helps the player defeat Azazel.

Gameplay =/= canon, you also have Raven help Lars vs Jin, yet Raven isnt seen around, Lars claims he himself beat him, he has nothing indicating to be a top tier, top tiers is only Mishimas (except Jinpachi and Kazumi), Azazel and Akuma

Your correct that Lars states to Jin that he beat Azazel alone.I'm not sure why he said that. It makes no sense to me why Raven would just stand around while Lars fights Azazel for the fate of the human race.

Because its actually what happens canonically, Raven couldnt even beat Heihachi in his T6 prologue and had to retreat, let alone he was in shock and worried when he saw Heihachi alive in T5 Raven story

Everything your saying in this portion makes sense.

I still don't understand why Raven would stand around and do nothing while the fate of the human race hangs in the balance but there's no hard evidence that Raven helped Lars beat Azazel.

I'll edit my post.

The currently accepted calc for Jinpachi's storm feat on Vs Battles Wiki is 7-A.

Your Feng calc isnt accepted either as of now and Devil Jin feat didnt doesnt either technically atm, even now for no reason you ignore the T5 DR feat, which is literally the updated version of the game

I literally stated in my post that the Feng Wei and Devil Jin calcs aren't accepted yet.

This thread is a placeholder for when the Devil Jin calc gets accepted then I'll post it.

I'm not ignoring Jinpachi's Dark Resurrection feat.

The Tier 6 version hasn't been accepted yet.

It's that simple.

Which Tekken Force statements are you talking about?

Statements which you exist about how Tekken Force > UN forces and the rest of the world, in a WW3 where it would involve nukes and heavy weapons, let alone scaling from Gun Jack which they canonically killed

Can you link the statements?

What about the Jack-6 meteor feat did I lie about?

Claiming the tier 7 was accepted by more calcers, when there were others on tier 6 in there as much if not more, which you glossed over at that time

Go back and read the thread dude.

Multiple calcers accepted the Tier 7 version of the Jack-6 meteor calc.

Not the Tier 6 version.

If you say otherwise link the calcs here.

Kazuya tossing Azazel would be Class K or M at best so there's no point in having it calced when Kazuya already scales to Paul and Law's much more impressive meteor strength feat.

Says you? On what basis is Kazuya spinning Azazel and tossing him in the air not worthy let alone assumed class K or M, you asked numerous Zangief calcs on lifting and all of them were Class M or so, which is equally as useless given the similar rating

There's absolutely no chance that Kazuya's Azazel tossing feat would result in a higher tier of strength than Paul and Law's meteor strength feat.

I'd bet my life on it.

When did Claudio shoot his arrow into space?

T8 Xiaoyu ending, you even watched all T8 endings? Or you just looked at threads around found just Feng and Devil Jin and called it a day

I've seen all of the endings and there's no hard evidence that Claudio's arrow when all the way up into space.

When did Jun beat Law?

I dunno how you can possibly read "Jun beat Law", let alone ask when did that happen, when i wrote beating Wang, whom was evenly matched with Law, from bios you didnt knew about or read , read carefully before you reply

Tekken Bloodline is inconsistent with Tekken 8's canon so I don't think that it's a reliable source of scaling.

Jun luring Ogre to the Kazama Sanctum was never mentioned in Tekken Bloodline for example.

Hilarious how you forgot that in your lame downgrade, you got debunked on the Netflix anime canon, which you admitted to be wrong about, also its already accepted on this site as part of canon, with Harada word on it

And for your info, the anime shown their battle in the forest and how Jin got knocked out, the side story tells us what happened when both disappeared, try again, its not inconsistent as you claim it

I literally stated in my post that the Feng Wei and Devil Jin calcs aren't accepted yet. This thread is a placeholder for when the Devil Jin calc gets accepted then I'll post it.

You wont post any thread, i already have these ready and much more planned for upcoming future

I'm not ignoring Jinpachi's Dark Resurrection feat. The Tier 6 version hasn't been accepted yet. It's that simple.

Neither did Devil Jin feat or Feng feat, its that simple, you ignore it, funny how on the DR feat you dont spam calcers with tags to check it out unlike the new feats you asked Jason to calc you, despite it exists there

Can you link the statements?

Go back and read the thread dude. Multiple calcers accepted the Tier 7 version of the Jack-6 meteor calc. Not the Tier 6 version.

I dont need to read anything, only KLOL accepted tier 7, others were favoring tier 6, you dont even remember your own thread, you quickly jumped after KLOL said tier 7 to say tier 6 was denied, admit your own lies

There's absolutely no chance that Kazuya's Azazel tossing feat would result in a higher tier of strength than Paul and Law's meteor strength feat. I'd bet my life on it.

And why should i care if it goes higher or not, let alone you assume with NO BASIS, on Zangief all your lifting feats asked for a calc ended up class M, why on these you never had this argument you have against Kazuya tossing Azazel, who are you to decide what gets calced and what is not hm?

I've seen all of the endings and there's no hard evidence that Claudio's arrow when all the way up into space.

Just like how there was no evidence Alisa beat Jack 6, which Saman disagreed with you, when you were in denial that time? Or Netflix anime being canon, which is accepted as canon and proven, you have a history being wrong ALL THE TIME

You downgraded Tekken unfairly for ridiculous reasons and now you try to upgrade it with reasonings which i had to correct you on many right now, why cant you stick to Street Fighter, which is in reality your favorite verse and not Tekken, after all you done in the past and dont bring me the "conspiracy theories" arguments, your pfp is literally Akuma, your background is literally with Akuma in it and most of your calc requests and CRT are about Street Fighter, till Tekken 8 you couldnt care less, let alone the time you messaged me to help you on the pachinko feat

When did Jun beat Law?

I dunno how you can possibly read "Jun beat Law", let alone ask when did that happen, when i wrote beating Wang, whom was evenly matched with Law, from bios you didnt knew about or read , read carefully before you reply

My mistake.

Tekken Bloodline is inconsistent with Tekken 8's canon so I don't think that it's a reliable source of scaling.

Jun luring Ogre to the Kazama Sanctum was never mentioned in Tekken Bloodline for example.

Hilarious how you forgot that in your lame downgrade, you got debunked on the Netflix anime canon, which you admitted to be wrong about, also its already accepted on this site as part of canon, with Harada word on it

I'm aware that I was incorrect about Tekken Bloodline's canon status and I didn't forget anything this time around.

I simply stated that it was inconsistent with Tekken 8's canon.

And for your info, the anime shown their battle in the forest and how Jin got knocked out, the side story tells us what happened when both disappeared, try again, its not inconsistent as you claim it

It is inconsistent.

Orge disappeared into the sky during his Tekken Bloodline fight against Jun when that never happened in the Tekken 8 retelling.

I literally stated in my post that the Feng Wei and Devil Jin calcs aren't accepted yet. This thread is a placeholder for when the Devil Jin calc gets accepted then I'll post it.

You wont post any thread, i already have these ready and much more planned for upcoming future

I'll probably have posted this thread and upgraded the entire verse before that happens bro.

But I wish you the best in regards to your future upgrade thread.

I'm not ignoring Jinpachi's Dark Resurrection feat. The Tier 6 version hasn't been accepted yet. It's that simple.

Neither did Devil Jin feat or Feng feat, its that simple, you ignore it, funny how on the DR feat you dont spam calcers with tags to check it out unlike the new feats you asked Jason to calc you, despite it exists there

Like I said earlier I already stated in my thread that the Tekken 8 Feng Wei and Devil Jin calcs haven't been accepted yet.

Getting DR Jinpachi's calc checked isn't important to me right now because Tekken's top tiers scale to Devil Jin's High 6-A feat.

Go back and read the thread dude. Multiple calcers accepted the Tier 7 version of the Jack-6 meteor calc. Not the Tier 6 version.

I dont need to read anything, only KLOL accepted tier 7, others were favoring tier 6, you dont even remember your own thread, you quickly jumped after KLOL said tier 7 to say tier 6 was denied, admit your own lies

That's false.

Several calcers agreed with Tier 7.

There's absolutely no chance that Kazuya's Azazel tossing feat would result in a higher tier of strength than Paul and Law's meteor strength feat. I'd bet my life on it.

And why should i care if it goes higher or not, let alone you assume with NO BASIS, on Zangief all your lifting feats asked for a calc ended up class M, why on these you never had this argument you have against Kazuya tossing Azazel, who are you to decide what gets calced and what is not hm?

I'm not against Kazuya's Azazel toss feat getting calced.

It just seems pointless to me.

I've seen all of the endings and there's no hard evidence that Claudio's arrow when all the way up into space.

Just like how there was no evidence Alisa beat Jack 6, which Saman disagreed with you, when you were in denial that time? Or Netflix anime being canon, which is accepted as canon and proven, you have a history being wrong ALL THE TIME

Your dead wrong here.

I just read through the thread again and Saman agreed with me that Alisa didn't hurt Jack-6.

And because you dont read or ignore stuff when replying, Jinpachi isnt a top tier, Jin in the recap of the games says he was no match to him, Heihachi in his T5 story says the same thing, demon form or not, let alone Tag 2 has Young Heihachi stand up to Jinpachi power for the most part except the end, thats not top tier material

You downgraded Tekken unfairly for ridiculous reasons and now you try to upgrade it with reasonings which i had to correct you on many right now, why cant you stick to Street Fighter, which is in reality your favorite verse and not Tekken, after all you done in the past and dont bring me the "conspiracy theories" arguments, your pfp is literally Akuma, your background is literally with Akuma in it and most of your calc requests and CRT are about Street Fighter, till Tekken 8 you couldnt care less, let alone the time you messaged me to help you on the pachinko feat

Your correct that Street Fighter is my favorite verse but that doesn't mean that I don't love Tekken as well.

And because you dont read or ignore stuff when replying, Jinpachi isnt a top tier, Jin in the recap of the games says he was no match to him, Heihachi in his T5 story says the same thing, demon form or not, let alone Tag 2 has Young Heihachi stand up to Jinpachi power for the most part except the end, thats not top tier material

Jinpachi's life wiping/world destroying statements put him far above most of the verse so that makes him a top tier in my opinion.

I'm aware that I was incorrect about Tekken Bloodline's canon status and I didn't forget anything this time around. I simply stated that it was inconsistent with Tekken 8's canon. It is inconsistent. Orge disappeared into the sky during his Tekken Bloodline fight against Jun when that never happened in the Tekken 8 retelling.

Ogre didnt disappear in the sky in the anime....Jun arm locked him so he will get caught in the explosion of the gas with the fire, he teleported off, along her, you dont see what happened to them, Tekken 8 says that, my so inconsistent that was.....the side story doesnt imply she walked or ran there and in her condition she wouldnt have been able anyway

I'll probably have posted this thread and upgraded the entire verse before that happens bro. But I wish you the best in regards to your future upgrade thread.

You arent revising them, you dont even have anyway actual reasons for why some characters are mid tiers, high tiers, top tiers and so on

Like I said earlier I already stated in my thread that the Tekken 8 Feng Wei and Devil Jin calcs haven't been accepted yet. Getting DR Jinpachi's calc checked isn't important to me right now because Tekken's top tiers scale to Devil Jin's High 6-A feat.

"isnt important to me right now", Jinpachi DR feat upgrades the mid tiers....but ofc you wouldnt know that unless pointed out

That's false. Several calcers agreed with Tier 7.

yeah sure, only KLOL did, others followed only when you purposely pushed for tier 7 pages later

I'm not against Kazuya's Azazel toss feat getting calced. It just seems pointless to me.

So were Zangief lifting feats you requested, which you ignore when i bring it up, falling under same deal, except his feats were calced and all ended up similar lifting levels

Your dead wrong here. I just read through the thread again band Saman agreed with me that Alisa didn't hurt Jack-6.
Not even close, Saman just said this "I think Alisa harming Jack-6 is totally fine, she did in fact damage it enough to briefly KO it, but not take it down for good", lying as usual

Your correct that Street Fighter is my favorite verse but that doesn't mean that I don't love Tekken as well.

You only love it for the powerscaling, which you admitted in your thread too, if Tekken was weaker, you wouldnt even care, thats a difference

Jinpachi's life wiping/world destroying statements put him far above most of the verse so that makes him a top tier in my opinion.

You realize how Jinpachi says each time, let alone the game itself that his mind being consumed by the demon entirely will lead to the High 6-A statements, his ending even stating "as he reaches his final transformation"

EDIT: Meaning it scales only to his Final form, not human or demon and no it doesnt make him top tier, Azazel was stated as tougher by Lars and his statements refer to his base form beaten by Lars, meanwhile Jin and Heihachi dont think as such of Jinpachi as stated earlier

I'm aware that I was incorrect about Tekken Bloodline's canon status and I didn't forget anything this time around. I simply stated that it was inconsistent with Tekken 8's canon. It is inconsistent. Orge disappeared into the sky during his Tekken Bloodline fight against Jun when that never happened in the Tekken 8 retelling.

Ogre didnt disappear in the sky in the anime....Jun arm locked him so he will get caught in the explosion of the gas with the fire, he teleported off, along her, you dont see what happened to them, Tekken 8 says that, my so inconsistent that was.....the side story doesnt imply she walked or ran there and in her condition she wouldnt have been able anyway

Jun didn't teleport with Ogre.

Ogre teleported by himself.

I'll probably have posted this thread and upgraded the entire verse before that happens bro. But I wish you the best in regards to your future upgrade thread.

You arent revising them, you dont even have anyway actual reasons for why some characters are mid tiers, high tiers, top tiers and so on

I will revise the verse soon.

Like I said earlier I already stated in my thread that the Tekken 8 Feng Wei and Devil Jin calcs haven't been accepted yet. Getting DR Jinpachi's calc checked isn't important to me right now because Tekken's top tiers scale to Devil Jin's High 6-A feat.

"isnt important to me right now", Jinpachi DR feat upgrades the mid tiers....but ofc you wouldnt know that unless pointed out

Tier 7 will do just fine for now.

That's false. Several calcers agreed with Tier 7.

yeah sure, only KLOL did, others followed only when you purposely pushed for tier 7 pages later

False.

I'm not against Kazuya's Azazel toss feat getting calced. It just seems pointless to me.

So were Zangief lifting feats you requested, which you ignore when i bring it up, falling under same deal, except his feats were calced and all ended up similar lifting levels

I requested those Zangief feats to support the current Class M ratings.

Your dead wrong here. I just read through the thread again band Saman agreed with me that Alisa didn't hurt Jack-6.
Not even close, Saman just said this "I think Alisa harming Jack-6 is totally fine, she did in fact damage it enough to briefly KO it, but not take it down for good", lying as usual

You don't post the full quote.

Saman: "I think Alisa harming Jack-6 is totally fine, she did in fact damage it enough to briefly KO it, but not take it down for good, meaning that she wouldn't scale to the overarching force of the meteor punch."

He disagreed with Alisa scaling to Jack-6's full power at the time.

Your correct that Street Fighter is my favorite verse but that doesn't mean that I don't love Tekken as well.

You only love it for the powerscaling, which you admitted in your thread too, if Tekken was weaker, you wouldnt even care, thats a difference

That's not true.

I love the story and the characters as well.

The feats and power-scaling are also awesome especially now that Devil Jin has a Tier 6 feat just like Capcom Fighting Evolution Shin Akuma and Asura's Wrath Oni Akuma.

Jinpachi's life wiping/world destroying statements put him far above most of the verse so that makes him a top tier in my opinion.

You realize how Jinpachi says each time, let alone the game itself that his mind being consumed by the demon entirely will lead to the High 6-A statements, his ending even stating "as he reaches his final transformation"

Yes.

Full Power Jinpachi is a top tier.

Glad we agree.

Jun didn't teleport with Ogre. Ogre teleported by himself.

Nice how you argue "no, no, no", Jun held Ogre in an arm lock and teleported, where else would Jun be at then? hm? She went along with him, had no reason to leave if Ogre does

I will revise the verse soon.
No you are not, who put you in charge of that?

Tier 7 will do just fine for now.

Nice, more evidence you just revise what you like to fit your narrative only, that is bias

False.

Its not, but keep believing yourself

I requested those Zangief feats to support the current Class M ratings.

yeah sure, he had 2 feats or so before SF6 and before your requests, how many supports a character needs lol

You don't post the full quote.

Saman: "I think Alisa harming Jack-6 is totally fine, she did in fact damage it enough to briefly KO it, but not take it down for good, meaning that she wouldn't scale to the overarching force of the meteor punch."

He disagreed with Alisa scaling to Jack-6's full power at the time.
"Saman agreed with me that Alisa didn't hurt Jack-6."

"I think Alisa harming Jack-6 is totally fine, she did in fact damage it enough to briefly KO it"

You claimed something else earlier, you lie now to make it seem as if your comment is what you said when its not, Saman disagreed with you anyway on that front, he said she harmed and damaged him, unlike you who says she didnt

That's not true. I love the story and the characters as well.

You made that up now....only cuz all i pointed is true, caring only cuz of the power scaling

The feats and power-scaling are also awesome especially now that Devil Jin has a Tier 6 feat just like Capcom Fighting Evolution Shin Akuma and Asura's Wrath Oni Akuma.

Non canon crossovers, not mainline canon

Yes. Full Power Jinpachi is a top tier. Glad we agree.

" EDIT: Meaning it scales only to his Final form, not human or demon and no it doesnt make him top tier, Azazel was stated as tougher by Lars and his statements refer to his base form beaten by Lars, meanwhile Jin and Heihachi dont think as such of Jinpachi as stated earlier "

You never listen and you stonewall a lot, im done talking, dont reply back to me afterwards, im not interested to hear anything anymore, you are unreasonable

Jun didn't teleport with Ogre. Ogre teleported by himself.

Nice how you argue "no, no, no", Jun held Ogre in an arm lock and teleported, where else would Jun be at then? hm? She went along with him, had no reason to leave if Ogre does

We never saw Jun leave with Ogre in Tekken Bloodline.

I will revise the verse soon.
No you are not, who put you in charge of that?

I'm not in charge of anything.

I just want to upgrade the verse.

It's the reason why I requested all of these calcs in the first place.

Tier 7 will do just fine for now.

Nice, more evidence you just revise what you like to fit your narrative only, that is bias

I said for now.

If it gets revised in the future that's fair game.

False.

Its not, but keep believing yourself

Okay.

I requested those Zangief feats to support the current Class M ratings.

yeah sure, he had 2 feats or so before SF6 and before your requests, how many supports a character needs lol

The more Class M calc support the better.

You don't post the full quote.

Saman: "I think Alisa harming Jack-6 is totally fine, she did in fact damage it enough to briefly KO it, but not take it down for good, meaning that she wouldn't scale to the overarching force of the meteor punch."

He disagreed with Alisa scaling to Jack-6's full power at the time.
"Saman agreed with me that Alisa didn't hurt Jack-6."

"I think Alisa harming Jack-6 is totally fine, she did in fact damage it enough to briefly KO it"

You claimed something else earlier, you lie now to make it seem as if your comment is what you said when its not, Saman disagreed with you anyway on that front, he said she harmed and damaged him, unlike you who says she didnt

What I meant to say was that Alisa didn't hurt Jack-6 enough to justify the Tier 7 scaling at the time and Saman agreed with me.

That's not true. I love the story and the characters as well.

You made that up now....only cuz all i pointed is true, caring only cuz of the power scaling

The feats and power-scaling are also awesome especially now that Devil Jin has a Tier 6 feat just like Capcom Fighting Evolution Shin Akuma and Asura's Wrath Oni Akuma.

Non canon crossovers, not mainline canon

I never said anything about canon or non canon.

I simply mentioned the feats.

Yes. Full Power Jinpachi is a top tier. Glad we agree.

" EDIT: Meaning it scales only to his Final form, not human or demon and no it doesnt make him top tier, Azazel was stated as tougher by Lars and his statements refer to his base form beaten by Lars, meanwhile Jin and Heihachi dont think as such of Jinpachi as stated earlier "

I never said otherwise.