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Gasper
Ultima_Reality
I do think so, yeah.
And they aren't, no. They're just from outside of it.
And they aren't, no. They're just from outside of it.
Gasper
Is this turtle hierarchy outside Dark tower or inside?
And when do you plan on making the revisions?
And when do you plan on making the revisions?
Ultima_Reality
Outside, obviously. Maturin is the sustainer of the Tower, as are all the Guardians.
Hard to say, though, obviously after the Marvel clean-ups. I'll spend a short while idle and/or doing smaller revisions after those are fully wrapped up, but overall DT revisions are probably not too far into the future.
Hard to say, though, obviously after the Marvel clean-ups. I'll spend a short while idle and/or doing smaller revisions after those are fully wrapped up, but overall DT revisions are probably not too far into the future.
Gasper
But how does this hierarchy even work? Is it mentioned more than once?
I see, thanks for replying.
I see, thanks for replying.
Ultima_Reality
The Twelve Guardians are, basically, to the Beams what Gan is to the Tower. They're the entities serving as their animating spirits, and all of them are described as sustaining the Tower in different fashions throughout the books.
For instance, Maturin is alternatively stated to hold the Tower and its inhabitants either on his shell or "in his mind" in the poem talking about him. Garuda (The Eagle Guardian) is stated to hold it on his wings, Mir (The Bear Guardian) is stated to contain it all in his eyes, and to be a whole other world that lies underneath creation and sustains it. So on and so forth.
Stephen King just implies in a later book that this sustaining recurses, too. He adapts the old anecdote about "Turtles all the way down" to have it refer to the turtles holding up the universe, instead of the Earth (Presumably to fit it with his lore, just like he made up some stuff about Maturin and Gan being Hindu Deities)
For instance, Maturin is alternatively stated to hold the Tower and its inhabitants either on his shell or "in his mind" in the poem talking about him. Garuda (The Eagle Guardian) is stated to hold it on his wings, Mir (The Bear Guardian) is stated to contain it all in his eyes, and to be a whole other world that lies underneath creation and sustains it. So on and so forth.
Stephen King just implies in a later book that this sustaining recurses, too. He adapts the old anecdote about "Turtles all the way down" to have it refer to the turtles holding up the universe, instead of the Earth (Presumably to fit it with his lore, just like he made up some stuff about Maturin and Gan being Hindu Deities)
Gasper
Ah, i get it.
So there is only 12 of this creations below the tower right?
So there is only 12 of this creations below the tower right?
Ultima_Reality
No. If the anecdote is to be believed, it's all the way down (i.e Infinite). The implication is pretty much that the Guardians are weird and metaphysical, and so they somehow all contain/uphold the Tower simultaneously, so it's not like there's only twelve layers.
Gasper
Sorry if i'm overwhelming you, this will be my last question, do you think this hierarchy is tier 0?