I know a bit about it. If you have any questions, or if you'd like help with a transduality thread, I'd be willing to assist.
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DarkGrath
Ss3micah
Well I have question
Does Transduality type 2 defaults you to being immune to all powers within your respective verse?
Or is it only the powers that exist within the dualities of a verse?
So if you have dualities being mentioned like
Life and Death
Time and Space
Light and Darkness
Mind and Soul
And then Fire not being mentioned as a duality of anything but still a power in the verse
Would Transduality Type 2 give you resistance to the Fire Manipulation just because it’s a power in verse?
Does Transduality type 2 defaults you to being immune to all powers within your respective verse?
Or is it only the powers that exist within the dualities of a verse?
So if you have dualities being mentioned like
Life and Death
Time and Space
Light and Darkness
Mind and Soul
And then Fire not being mentioned as a duality of anything but still a power in the verse
Would Transduality Type 2 give you resistance to the Fire Manipulation just because it’s a power in verse?
DarkGrath
That's a very interesting question.
For the most part, I would be cautious about giving any character an ability that they do not demonstrate simply due to implications caused by wiki standards. However, in this circumstance, I believe you could say they would inherently resist the fire present within the verse. To quote the Transduality page:
"Type 2:... Characters that exist in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within the scope of an entire level of reality and qualitatively superior or immune to the effects caused within it."
What this standard implies is that, to get Type 2 in the first place, you need evidence that a character exists in a state that separates them from all dual systems within the level of reality depicted in the verse (whether by being a part of both duals simultaneously, or a part of neither), and that you cannot receive this ability by simply being separate from a few dual systems. As the existence of anything is a dual system in itself (in the sense that any existent concept you can point to, such as fire, either "exists" or "doesn't exist"), and Type 2 Transduality makes one "immune to the effects caused within [all the dual systems]", then we can deduce that someone with Type 2 Transduality is immune to the effects bound to existence.
Therefore, you'd have to say that someone with Type 2 Transduality would not be harmed by fire, as the effects of fire are bound to the existence of its target, and characters with Type 2 Transduality are immune to effects bound to existence.
For the most part, I would be cautious about giving any character an ability that they do not demonstrate simply due to implications caused by wiki standards. However, in this circumstance, I believe you could say they would inherently resist the fire present within the verse. To quote the Transduality page:
"Type 2:... Characters that exist in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within the scope of an entire level of reality and qualitatively superior or immune to the effects caused within it."
What this standard implies is that, to get Type 2 in the first place, you need evidence that a character exists in a state that separates them from all dual systems within the level of reality depicted in the verse (whether by being a part of both duals simultaneously, or a part of neither), and that you cannot receive this ability by simply being separate from a few dual systems. As the existence of anything is a dual system in itself (in the sense that any existent concept you can point to, such as fire, either "exists" or "doesn't exist"), and Type 2 Transduality makes one "immune to the effects caused within [all the dual systems]", then we can deduce that someone with Type 2 Transduality is immune to the effects bound to existence.
Therefore, you'd have to say that someone with Type 2 Transduality would not be harmed by fire, as the effects of fire are bound to the existence of its target, and characters with Type 2 Transduality are immune to effects bound to existence.
Ss3micah
Alright lemme ask you another question
If someone has Tranaduality Type 2 that covers:
Light and Darknes
Creation and Destruction
Existence and Nothingness
Etc
But nothing concerning plot/narrative
Would someone in the verse has the ability to use plot manipulation
Would that be enough to give the Transduality Type 2 immunity to plot manipulation EVEN thou Plot/Narrative was never mentioned as an abstraction tag apart of a dual system
If someone has Tranaduality Type 2 that covers:
Light and Darknes
Creation and Destruction
Existence and Nothingness
Etc
But nothing concerning plot/narrative
Would someone in the verse has the ability to use plot manipulation
Would that be enough to give the Transduality Type 2 immunity to plot manipulation EVEN thou Plot/Narrative was never mentioned as an abstraction tag apart of a dual system
DarkGrath
That's a bit more complicated. Plot manipulation almost always implies some higher level of reality being involved - for something to be considered a "plot", it needs to be fictional relative to something else more "real", and we generally consider the reality-fiction difference to qualify for qualitative superiority. So plot manipulation only really occurs if there is some qualitatively superior "real" entity relative to the "fictional" entities bound by the plot.
Type 2 Transduality doesn't require someone to exist in a nondual state within all conceivable dual systems (i.e.: those of higher levels of reality) - that would be effectively impossible to prove, and examples of it would essentially fall under NLF. It just requires they exist in a nondual state "within the scope of an entire level of reality", as the standards state. The plot can very well be considered something transcendent of the reality itself - for example, a Transdual Type 2 character in a 4th dimensional reality could still hypothetically be plot manip'd by a 5th dimensional being who perceives the reality as fictional. As the Transdual Type 2 character is still "fictional" from the "real" entity's perspective, the plot is something that exists beyond the reality, and so the Transdual Type 2 character is still bound to it.
This notion, however, does need to be used with care to the particular circumstances of the verse. It should be well-defined what level of reality the nondual state extends to for the Transdual Type 2 character.
Type 2 Transduality doesn't require someone to exist in a nondual state within all conceivable dual systems (i.e.: those of higher levels of reality) - that would be effectively impossible to prove, and examples of it would essentially fall under NLF. It just requires they exist in a nondual state "within the scope of an entire level of reality", as the standards state. The plot can very well be considered something transcendent of the reality itself - for example, a Transdual Type 2 character in a 4th dimensional reality could still hypothetically be plot manip'd by a 5th dimensional being who perceives the reality as fictional. As the Transdual Type 2 character is still "fictional" from the "real" entity's perspective, the plot is something that exists beyond the reality, and so the Transdual Type 2 character is still bound to it.
This notion, however, does need to be used with care to the particular circumstances of the verse. It should be well-defined what level of reality the nondual state extends to for the Transdual Type 2 character.
Ss3micah
That’s the perfect answer I needed
Thanks
Thanks
DarkGrath
No worries. Contact me anytime if you need assistance. <3