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Well it is mostly in regards to time ring.
Although we only know it branches only at specific times or what someone wearing a time ring is killed in the past

What would make it qualify is that the timeline that encompasses the multiverse seems plausible knowing the state of timering
but with how timering functions it can also be attributed to merely a verse cosmos mechanic in regards to acausality from wearing the timering (Them dying in the past would cause a different branch instead of completely changing the future and present completely which is then shown and appear as Green time ring)

In theory this could be attributed as 5D
or just a larger timeline which is just larger 4D.

I'm still thinking about it and i haven't had time what were the prior argument from it but i do Remember Vietthai having more knowledge in Dragon ball regarding the cosmology

Yeah entirely new timelines are created when changes to the timeline are made, or somebody travels to and from a timeline, like trunks, and that one person from universe 12. But the point is that, these timelines make totally new copies of 4d macrocosms, which implies it overarches the timelines under it, containing snapshots of 4d macrocosms, which implies a higher temporal dimension, 3 spatial + 2 temporal. And isn't that kind of blatant?

not really since it could also be attributed to a different temporal dimension but not inherently something connected to the other
unless the timeline of the one causing it to branch can be proven to be infinitely expanding to the future or can branch infinitely into the future it is not blatant.
i think the main contention is probably because there is only a few instances where it branched and this branching may or may not include the higher timeline
and if it includes the higher timeline Zeno destroying the entire timeline of one that branched would and should have also affected the entire hyper timeline if he indeed destroyed the 5D timeline
which is not the case seeing that Goku still managed to travel back to zeno and their past from a different branch not being affected
thus putting the Zeno feat at only 4D as it only affected the 4D macrocosm that branched and not all of it which would include Goku's Past in different branch

I forgot which thread this was discussed in, but zeno did destroy the entire timeline, which is why whis had to take mai and trunks to a timeline before zamasu could do anything bad, a completely separate one created, but not traveling to the past or future. And on this wiki, time by default is infinite, past, present, and future, which is why the same logic for low 2-C temporal dimensions exist, uncountable infinite snapshots of 3-A structures, it would just be the same logic for the higher timeline, but with 4d constructs. And im pretty sure trunks going back to zeno was explained in the series, or juse deemed P.I.S or outlier, im not sure, but zeno did in fact destroy the entire timeline, past, present, and all of future. Which is why i truly believe its a 5d feat. We know the entire timeline was destroyed because the time ring disappeared.

that's exactly the problem. it was claimed he destroyed the entire timeline but if he really did destroy the hypertimeline which is what we are assuming as 5D even Goku's own timeline would have been gone and all the other timelines that branched with the timering
but that wasn't the case thus putting Zeno feat at best only 4D due to this contradiction

so him destroying the timeline could and would only refer to the timeline of the multiverse in that macrocosm and not the entirety of the hypertimelines

that isn't how the timelines work though, when one time travels from one of the timelines, it creates another timeline completely separate from the one they traveled from, DB follows MWI on here, but the timelines aren't actually connected. See this thread here for more information.

they need to be connected to function under a hypertimeline which if it doesn't then it doesn't qualify it is merely just a funny cosmological thing
because the multiverse timeline is 4D and the timeline that encompasses them is 5D
now this 5D timeline follows a branching timeline and as per the branching timeline each branch to qualify as independent should be capable of existing even without the past and can extend infinitely into the future
because if you destroyed a timeline but not affecting the past which all other branched timeline also connects to then that puts it into suspicion of whether you actually destroyed the entirety of timeline.

You can't contradict standards

What do you mean the multiverse timeline? The timeline for the macrocosm would be 4d, and then the higher timeline, which is what the time rings encompass would be 5d for the reasons in which i already explained above. But why would you need to destroy every parallel timeline to be 5d, if the individual timelines themselves are already 5d? it would just be a 5d multiverse in totality containing countless 5-D timelines. And as per standards, time by default is infinite unless stated otherwise, so it would already be assumed to be extended infinitely into the future. And the past, present, and future of trunk's timeline is completely gone, hence why the time ring disappeared, unable to travel to any period of time within that timeline. Goku's timeline wouldn't need to be affected becauses it's its own past, present, and future. But idk, im gonna get more opinions on this also.