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The first one I believe is an actual cloud split as when they are descending, the cloud are shown to be moving apart. That same point was discussed in a CRT once if the clouds are being moved.

The third one seems fine to redo. The Kaiju are scaling to it via self-destruction and as the Supergiant Yoju, similar to how Cell has a self-destruction rating on his profile.

Hmmm, for the last one, that one should be redo if he can. For the height, would you suggest average cloud altitudes or something like that

The first one I believe is an actual cloud split as when they are descending, the cloud are shown to be moving apart. That same point was discussed in a CRT once if the clouds are being moved.

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Thats still gonna be a disagree from me bro, also I forgot to mention that you didn't use omnidirectional KE for that as well which would bring it down to 238 Kilotons

The panel you provided shows the clouds already being apart before they even reach them and the CRT you provided says nothing about this

Let's agree to disagree

Hmmm, for the last one, that one should be redo if he can. For the height, would you suggest average cloud altitudes or something like that

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Yeah just use the Currus Flocas cloud height or better yet the cumulous cloud height on our page

Both would actually result in a higher yield

I made a quick google doc on how the calc would look with the revision and in this one, I'm using the cumulus cloud instead of the cirrus floccas clouds

Calc 1: You can't say the height of the clouds above sea level is 914 m when in order to find the size of the split you used 6858 meters as your height.
Also pick cirrus or cumulous or do both but you can't mix and match cloud heights and thickness, use 1500 meter thickness for cirrus clouds
Using that and plugging it into the calculator and we get 43,757,963,467.62418 Kilograms
1/12 * 43757963467.62418 * (410.7980867)^2 =6.15364842*10^14 Joules...
Did you input those values into the calculator without changing the text on the doc?
It still says 2000 meter thickness and 914 meter height
Anyways
Still disagree with it being a split but the math and Ang-sizing is fine

Calc 2: Same complaint as above but lemme do the math to see if you inputted the correct stuff into the calculator but just forgot to update the values
30,397,654,718.04624 Kilograms, AHA got ya
You used the correct heights and masses for the one above but I guess you used 914 meters for this one
Fix that pls
1/12 * 30397654718.04624 * (7656.05249344/3)^2 = 1.64978035*10^16 Joules or 3.943 Megaton divided by 28 = 140 kilotons per thing

Also I recommend you re-do the pixelscaling for the initial blasts size since it leaves off a little

Calc 3: Nope, just nope
Find the size using Kafka as a basis, It's not 500+ meters in diameter

Also using human flesh when a very large part of our bodies are empty is not a good idea
And these things were inflating and already stated to be light

I wouldn't mind just scrapping this entirely since it's not gonna yield anything good

Though if you insist then i gues you can find your weight by doing this
Average human volume is .68 m^3

.68 * 1010 = 686.8 kilograms for an average human which is obviously not true

So just divide it by 9 which gives us a somewhat believable number
686.8/9 =76.31111111 or 168.2 pounds for an average human

So divide the result by 9

Calc 1: We agree to disagree

Calc 2: I use 914m because that is stated on the cloud calculation page as the average height for cumulus clouds, which is being used. 2000 meters for the thickness and pi*(7656.05249344)^2 *0.2 for the area.

Calc 3: Supporting calc is supporting calc. I can't recall the Super Yoju Bomb ever being called light, especially when Kafka had to put some effort to launch it even after being boosted with fast into the air with his boosters, so it was definitely heavy

Made the changes and put them under Redux section

Calc 1: We agree to disagree

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Sure

Rest assured though I will make a thread to discuss it if you still use it though

Calc 2: I use 914m because that is stated on the cloud calculation page as the average height for cumulus clouds, which is being used. 2000 meters for the thickness and pi*(7656.05249344)^2 *0.2 for the area.

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So your gonna use Cirrus clouds for the first feat and then use Cumulous clouds for the second feat?

I recommend you choose between either Cirrus or Cumulous

I don't care if you use the one that get the higher value just use the same cloud for all 3 calcs

Calc 3: Supporting calc is supporting calc. I can't recall the Super Yoju Bomb ever being called light, especially when Kafka had to put some effort to launch it even after being boosted with fast into the air with his boosters, so it was definitely heavy

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Agree to disagree

Also I saw your second attempt and while it is better I still recommend you use Kafka himself to scale the balls size

If you do that then I believe these calcs are good to go

Also if you go with Cumulous clouds use the average thickness of cumulous clouds which is 1300 meters for thickness not 2000 meters. 2000 Meters is it's max thickness

We can move on to the next calc I take issue with if you want

Sure, decided to use cirrus clouds all together, move on

K

This should be nuked

There's no evidence for pulverization (Infact evidence for the opposite exists)
You also treated the explosion as if it was one giant crater which it is not

I saw you had an older version of this calc using blast radius that yielded High 8-C

It should be changed back to that

That is fine

K, glad we agree on that one

Next one

I disagree with treating it as an earthquake
Firstly the intent of the shaking page's was to show the giant sinkhole destroying the building and eventually falling into that giant pit

Secondly this was done by dozens if not hundreds of ant Kaiju so we'd have to divide whatever result we get by that

The event was refer to as an earthquake by the people in the chapter and when evaluating, it was the method the CGM chose when they evaluate the calculation despite the options. Can’t really say much else.

Regarding the second point; Dozens I can understand if one was to actually count all of the Ant-type kaiju shown in the chapter the feat happened (which I already did) but certainly not hundreds without a statement and there nothing to implied the numbers being that high

The event was refer to as an earthquake by the people in the chapter and when evaluating, it was the method the CGM chose when they evaluate the calculation despite the options. Can’t really say much else.

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Yeah the people directly over the collapsing sinkhole

We see the building directly beside the sinkhole are completely unharmed
CGM's can be wrong

I'll make a CRT if need be

You ready to move onto the next calc?

People call it an earthquake so I will say it is an earthquake. As I say, can’t really say much else

And k

I know your gonna disagree with me on this one but here we got

Firstly it was never stated that Kaiju No. 2 completely destroyed Sapporo, so using the entire city's area is already wrong

Secondly it was done over an unknown Timeframe

Thirdly the Main burst uses the word "Devastated" which does not automatically mean destroy completely, that along with the very panel it was shown in the flashback not supporting this level of power as well as it being many times over what the current high tiers scale to (After I'm done with the downgrades)

This is not so much as me telling you to change it as me letting you know that I'm going to make a thread on it after I figure out the rest of the calcs, since like I said I'm 99% sure you won't agree with me

You know me so well, so there isn’t much left to say that we agree to disagree

K next


This is just straight up wrong for a single reason

Curtain walls are used to span multiple floors
It says so in the very source you linked

The height you should use is the height of the average floor or 4.3 meters

You make a bunch of good points but some are wrong

First one

The first feat is not a cloud split it's just a way certain manga do high vantage points so you can see the ground or vice versa
Here is an example of the same thing with HxH

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Argument's not good.

We can visibly see the clouds moving apart circling around the specific creatures that are flying down to the earth.

Even if you did want to argue that the clouds where split, the split happens before they even go through the clouds

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Weirdly enough, unfortunately since a thread was made, it'd honestly need to be counter-threaded.

Also no, it definitely happened during the timeframe of them going through em.

You also converted grams directly over to kilograms when scaling up the flesh density
It says 1.02g/cm^3 which means when converted to kg/cm^3 it would be 0.00102kg/cm^3 which when converted to meters is 10.2kg/m^3
A gram is 1/100th of a kilogram

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1 g/cm3 to kg/m3 is 1000 kg/m3.

1 m3 is 1000000 cm3
1 kg = 1000 g
1000000/1000 = 1000 conversion rate

And finally assuming a distance of 8000 meters when the panel you linked explicitly shows the clouds BELOW them seems a little sus

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8000 m is the distance clouds are from the bottom to the ground. Being above the clouds and dashing to the ground means it's >>>>>8000m they travelled.

Firstly it was never stated that Kaiju No. 2 completely destroyed Sapporo, so using the entire city's area is already wrong

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It's said it nearly did. Using the whole thing is fine. Maybe saying 80-90% though

Secondly it was done over an unknown Timeframe

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Using 1 attack to do something once doesn't need a timeframe.

You use timeframes for unknown feats and unknown methods and unknown specifications.

We see the same attack. It was a big blast of energy. You don't need a timeframe for that.

On top of that, the main burst calculation uses an explosion, aka nothing like pulverizing the entire land of the town. That's the accepted end

Ooh I see he got you on my ass anyways

Argument's not good.

We can visibly see the clouds moving apart circling around the specific creatures that are flying down to the earth.

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Weirdly enough, unfortunately since a thread was made, it'd honestly need to be counter-threaded.

Also no, it definitely happened during the timeframe of them going through em.

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The panel showing them coming down from a first person point of view shows the clouds split even before they get there

You can't say "Yeah it's a split because I said so"

It can be interpreted either way and just because you say your way is right doesn't mean it's true

Which is why I said I'd make a thread on it

This is a common method of showing great speed in manga and comic and should not be treated as a cloud split just because they use a fisheye lens

1 g/cm3 to kg/m3 is 1000 kg/m3.

1 m3 is 1000000 cm3
1 kg = 1000 g
1000000/1000 = 1000 conversion rate

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I did convert wrong my bad however Kobster here corrected it so it's no issue
The value used in the current calc is correct

8000 m is the distance clouds are from the bottom to the ground. Being above the clouds and dashing to the ground means it's >>>>>8000m they travelled.

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No, it's explicitly the height they are at

It's said it nearly did. Using the whole thing is fine. Maybe saying 80-90% though

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I addressed that

Using 1 attack to do something once doesn't need a timeframe.

You use timeframes for unknown feats and unknown methods and unknown specifications.

We see the same attack. It was a big blast of energy. You don't need a timeframe for that.

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The wording "Devastated" like I already explained does not necessarily mean completely destroy

In context with the panels that show the destruction of Kaiju No.2 Along with the many buildings still around him reject the notion that he destroyed nearly the whole city with his attacks

Literally nothing implies this was done with a single attack

On top of that, the main burst calculation uses an explosion, aka nothing like pulverizing the entire land of the town. That's the accepted end

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I'm aware and still disagree