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nice. if you want to ask for an opinion or how we can add those abilities you can post it here or message me directly.


my memory is hazy but if something is familiar i recall it very well

Here's a rough translation (asked for proper translations in the requests thread, but it's what I have in the meantime):


In addition to this, the Lucavi have fully manifested in the world in Tactics because they used the right procedure (found a host that surrendered body and soul to them and channeled their spirit through an Auracite), so unlike Espers and Scions they are not using "an echo of their power"

Yeah these seems good.
Ultima as arch seraph and high seraph kinda implies being the culmination of Lucavi's power (the story also seems to make the last boss to be special due to how different she is from other lucavi)

This could get them hax. Even the rare ability tranduality type 1 for ultima.

Divine magic being void manip with nep 1 properties and saturation with EE to complete nothingness sounds something even soul erasure

Wohoho! Better than I thought. I had my thoughts on Transduality but I am overall pretty bad with non-straightforwards stuff like that so I wasn't sure I was actually on the ball there. I do think that it Saturation does affect souls as well, given Dread, the widespread Lucavi ability is capable of affecting the spirit of other living beings.

I did ask for proper translations in the thread, but I guess it's better to look for help somewhere else given how few people is actually available to help out and how many requests for Japanese translations there are.

Interestingly, Ultima is the second place among the Lucavi. Even though she's built up as the strongest, and she is indeed called the masterpiece of them, turns out Zodiark, a hidden Lucavi of sorts, is the undisputably first place. If you remember, in Tactics itself Zodiark (which was fought through his host Elidibus) was a secret boss, so not much lore was found regarding it, but later entries in Ivalice such as FFXII do openly state that he's the strongest of the Lucavi and it was porpusedly kept as an infant to prevent it from using its full power.

Have a bit more of stuff I've found. See my next post (because I have this pathological inhability to write short messages >_>;

1. Adrammelech's description in Final Fantasy XII both Japanese and English
2. Zodiark's description in Tactics and in XII
3. Hashmall's description in Tactics and XII
4. Zalera's description in XII
5. Description of Time Mages in Tactics
6. Skyseers and Netherseers in Tactics
7. Arithmeticians in Tactics
8. Mystics in Tactics

Quite frankly I really need to find help outside the site with the translations. The request thread isn't really helping. Now, I don't blame them, there aren't many translators for Japanese, they all have plenty of stuff to do aside translating and there is a frigton of Japanese requests so I can see why there's delay.

I also saw you brought the previous stuff to the FF Discord group, though it was by accident.

Yeah i kinda skimmed the zodiark part since back when i first played i didn't really understood midlight's deep.
and my replays didn't finish so i have less clue about Zodiark except he exist.

Adramalech is textbook Existence erasure but an unknown degree
but the least of those is complete physical erasure

Zodiark I'm not really sure about the darken cloud feat. but regardless it just adds more details which is good

Hashmall also adds a lot more details regarding his control over law. seeing how Zodiark can create them but Hashmall is only stated to control i guess his superiority is in a way due to him being above it as if it is merely a creation

time mage does fit it and i guess FF does Treat Space/Time as one in the same and must exist with one another.
the laws it refers most likely refers to only Time and Space laws. so like a step down from Hashmall who controls Laws (more than one) as a whole and not just a specific law

The Mystics seem to imply more of a supernatural energy of chi which exists in almost everyone under a duality in layman terms all under Yin and Yang. i don't think this qualifies for transduality. I'm not sure what the ability to get here. but by the description they can basically weave it that they can turn Yin into Yang or vice versa allowing them to control things (and iirc Mystics are those who bestow things like Faith and Atheist on targets as well). Right now it could be Chi manipulation that involves a lot of things they are capable of doing. specially how they can make one immune to magic by making them atheist or make one so faithful with magic it maximizes it. it also somehow mentions draining the soul's piety which is likely a soul manipulation controlling aspect of someone's soul.
as it is I'll take Mystics as someone with ridiculous Chi manipulation effects (something like Chinese cultivation of Chi or some sort)


Netherseer and Skyseer bending the laws of nature may imply being similar to hashmall law manip so yeah

I always assumed Arithmethics counts of Mathematics manipulation but rather not in a way that they change math as a whole but rather uses math to causes some things like magick etc.

Imaginary space could mean the subjective reality which is there when using magick. but since a void is mentioned in the English translation it could be just void manip and turning them to nonexistence

Almagest does sounds like a MFTL+ if they really did move stars. though it did say it was done via space-time manip so it could bypass space distance by doing so making it MFTL only with that attack

Hmmm... I see what you mean regarding the Mystics. It wouldn't make much sense for a generic Job class to be more busted than the otherwordly demons threatening mankind as the Lucavi are built up as. Despite the grandiose description they get, Mystics simply inflict status ailments to enemies. But if they were anything like the Xianxia dudes, their chi manipulation would have Concept Manipulation Type 0, Transduality Type 10, and Far Beyond Dimensional Existence, along with every other hax in the wiki =P

For Arithmeticians, it could be the second type of Mathematics Manipulation, the one that creates real phenomena through math rather than altering the abstract form of math itself.

I think Adrammelech could qualify for physical and spiritual erasure, for a similar reason as Ultima's Saturation. Essentially, Dread, the most common Lucavi ability targets the spirit (japanese version says heart, kokoro) so it is within the reach of Adrammelech to affect it as well.

The law hierarchy we got here is pretty interesting:

Zodiark (Strongest Lucavi, feared even by the gods - Creates and governs the laws of the world) > Ultima (Masterpiece of the gods and second strongest - Is free from the laws of the world) > Hashmal (Lucavi - Controls the laws of the world) > Seers (Special Job - Controls the laws of nature) > Time Mages (Generic Job - Controls laws related to time and space)

What do you think of the description I gave for Zalera (the second one at the bottom), Unholy Darkness, Nanoflare (I think it's pretty clean cut Matter Manip, like the rest of the Flare abilities) and Almagest (Space-Time Manip again, I am getting)?

Other thing I was thinking about. Do you think Faith and how it relates to Magick could qualify as Subjective Reality? I mean, Magickal attacks no matter how powerful they are or how strong their caster is, will be nulled by a target if they have no faith and faith is described as the belief in the divine and supernatural. Similarly, higher faith makes magic more effective and raises chances of it working.

basically

As for the matter manip yeah. It can eithwr be matter manip or deconstruction even with souls.

Yeah that is basically what Faith does and seeing how magic in FF as a whole are product of Subjective reality. One whose strongly believe that magic doesn't exist or that divine and such aren't real would basically be inducing a subjective reality of their own that nullifies another persons subjective reality.
There is also a reason why higher faith also means susceptible to magick since they strongly believe on it. So not only their magic is stronger but magic against them are stronger as well.

I would put it as power null against anything magic related via subjective reality. Havent actually tested if the lucavi's magic or seraph works against Someone with atheist affliction tho. But if it does. Thats gonna be wack like battler not believing in witches