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Planck69
Planck69
He doesn't. He could've continued but the Eternal World would've collapsed.

Again, you seem to not get how this works. He turns a 0-dimensional singularity into an infinite line then an infinite plane then an infinite box. These are qualitative gaps whether you like them or not. Yet these gaps are always going to be conceptually inferior to the Dao of Space. As such, no number of theoretical additions of spatial dimensions will ever overcome that Dao. And since we know that there are countless spatial dimensions, that Dao is 1-A.

Like, this has been gone over by Ultima and other staff both before and after the Tiering System revisions already so you can see why I'm getting tired of revisiting old ground.
Regidian
Regidian
But we don't even know if they can add all of them, it's that i don't understand in all of the work they never go above the 3D space. And even with that when mao have done this to made the 2D thread into a 3D sphere it was not infinity by ex.
Planck69
Planck69
What Meng did with the sphere was a demonstration, not the actual feat that we scale any of them to. The fact is that spatial dimensions are infinite and he can control space made up of a countless number of them if he bothered. Bai himself had no exertion or difference in mindset regardless of the number of spatial dimensions and would have continued if not for the Eternal World being unstable.

And why does him being able or unable to add them even matter here anyway? The point is how transcendent the Daos are to space, which is already shown above to be always superior a space made up of any number of spatial dimensions. Said spatial dimensions being Extra-Large and non-trivial.
Regidian
Regidian
Because when not add they not qualitative supperior to the other. And Dao is just show to be above all space and create all of them,

I don't remember this "which is already shown above to be always superior regardless of any number of spatial dimensions." Being mentionned even more when transcend who are being that can be Essence, can only go to the Universe which have space/time etc
Planck69
Planck69
This not only isn't true from a tiering perspective but literally doesn't matter or here.

Dao of Space is the concept of space, its fundamental source and reason for being. It's essentially a Platonic Form above countless spatial dimensions, which are themselves non-trivial in size.

Anyway, this is just senseless back and forth with no one convincing the other so I'm really no longer debating this. Not as though it matters. People far more knowledgeable on tiering have debated this and agreed with 1-A.

Of course, you can ask Nepuko to debate it. I'm burned out.
Regidian
Regidian
Platonic form doesn't give 1-A now you alredy know so don't understand why you ude that as a arguments
Planck69
Planck69
I'll just respond to this last tidbit.

It's not just being a Platonic Form that gives them 1-A, that's not what I'm describing (I even specified this in the blog) but how it's transcendental to a 1-B hierarchy on a conceptual level.

Anything else, you can ask Nepuko or Zaratthustra.
Regidian
Regidian
And how you guy see the space-time of Universe ?
Planck69
Planck69
What about it? His Dao transcends it, his physical body is small enough to move within it just fine. Not to mention the natural laws of The Universe binding them.
Regidian
Regidian
I mean where it's mention that his dao transcend it? The 4th step is what need to enter in the Universe
Planck69
Planck69
His Dao transcends what?
Regidian
Regidian
You tell "his Dao transcend it" where it's tell that his Dao transcende the space/time of the Universe when the 4th step is litteraly what is needed to be able to go in that space/time
Planck69
Planck69
Not really? You need 4th Step cultivation to overcome the natural laws of the Vast Expanse, which are backed by a 4th Step will.

All Daos transcend space and time though, and 4th Step cultivators are Daos.
Regidian
Regidian
I don't talk about Vast Expanse why you talk about it? The Universe is the space that contain Vast Expanse and all the other world of other book, and you need to be 4th step to go to that space.
Nepuko
Nepuko
A thread was made for 1-A Er Gen confirmation even after the tiering system changed, and it was unanimously agreed to, even by the makers of the system. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but if you thought there is a problem with the tier, there's none. It's basically what Nasu used to become 1-A.

And do not equate Laws suppression to the space itself.
Planck69
Planck69
@Regidian

Yes, and? Again, another 4th Step force keeps you from leaving, that's the point. Until you're 4th Step and can overcome it, you're trapped.
Regidian
Regidian
I don't talk about law supression again, The Universe is the space outside the Vast Expanse that need to be 4th step to enter in, it litteraly the space that countain the other world of people of other book that not in the Vast Expance

The Universe is filled with endless sea of stars, with countless vortexes and other heavenly bodies. The Vast Expanse Realm is just a single whirlpool of star within this boundless Universe.
Regidian
Regidian
And ? It doesn't change that 4th step was never tell to transcend that space
Planck69
Planck69
It does though. Its not as though the Dao itself is physically in The Universe, just the bodies of the 4th Step cultivators in question.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to disagree with but eh. The tiering system hath spoken anyway.
Nepuko
Nepuko
And? it doesn't help in any way the argument you're trying to make. You are talking about laws, wether you like it or not. It is VE laws that makes it so that you need to be 4th step to step outside of it. That doesn't change in any way, shape or form the tier of the 4th step.

By your logic, since Void Shiki is 9-B physically, then her hax is also 9-B. The universe has space-time, so transcendors needing to be 4th step to reach there somehow downscales them. Transcendors need to be 4th step to leave because that is how the cosmology works with its suppressive laws, and it has nothing to do with the physical universe. They're playing around with universes since the 3rd step, and timelines since even half-3rd. You're equating what shouldn't be equated.

And again, it doesn't change what fits in regards to the vsbw tiering system.
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