Want you to stick around I got a new tournament coming in a few hours who knows maybe you'll participate or maybe you won't, Just something to look out for.
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DemonicDude
Imaginym
Happy to help. I'm unsure how this helps, but hopefully it will. Part of me fears I'll have misinformed you.
Imaginym
I'd love to be informed about the new tournament! Thanks for the heads up!
DemonicDude
Can you give me tips when it comes to (Duplication) ability and it's uses and is that a high hax if someone can make infinite clones of them selves...
Imaginym
Do they do so in-character? How do they use it? What are the limitation of the clones?
A lot of powers are only as good as the user's creativity.
A lot of powers are only as good as the user's creativity.
DemonicDude
Yes, They can make clones at will anytime.
Clones are unlimited (But shown up to 12 on screen) but I'd assume for Versus battle clones would be kept at a minimum number that being 12.
Is that high hax with only 12 clones ?
Clones are unlimited (But shown up to 12 on screen) but I'd assume for Versus battle clones would be kept at a minimum number that being 12.
Is that high hax with only 12 clones ?
Imaginym
In theory, maybe? Are the clones equally as strong & as durable as them?
12 vs 1 is a good way to restrain someone who can't beat you in LS or who lacks a "get off of me move". & if they have an infinite supply of clones, why ever send their real self into the fight? If all their clones are equally durable, doesn't that mean they have meat shields that are as equally difficult to break as they themselves?
12 vs 1 is a good way to restrain someone who can't beat you in LS or who lacks a "get off of me move". & if they have an infinite supply of clones, why ever send their real self into the fight? If all their clones are equally durable, doesn't that mean they have meat shields that are as equally difficult to break as they themselves?
DemonicDude
Yeah all clones are independent and each clones is 2 times more durable and get higher LS too than base form)
Each clone not only is 2 times more durable but also weights over a billion pounds too.
And so durable that punching it harm enemy itself 1:54
With enough clones according to creator of the show
Each clone not only is 2 times more durable but also weights over a billion pounds too.
And so durable that punching it harm enemy itself 1:54
With enough clones according to creator of the show
Imaginym
An infinite army of clones that are yourself, but with better stats?
Barring stamina exhaustion, an opponent would need means to let them go after the original. If there's no cost to just spamming the clones & let them fight on your behalf & you're nigh-unassailable with them around.
Might be a bit above Low Hax.
My advice is not the be all end all. Consider how the other candidates compare or match up & if "Slapback"(?) would be insurmountable to them.
Ahhh. Slapback's limit is each clone is successively smaller & he needs to be able to reach his back, easier in later seasons of the show.
Small size may impede restraining, but probably not if each clone is successively smaller. Does Ben send his real Slapback body into the fray?
Barring stamina exhaustion, an opponent would need means to let them go after the original. If there's no cost to just spamming the clones & let them fight on your behalf & you're nigh-unassailable with them around.
Might be a bit above Low Hax.
My advice is not the be all end all. Consider how the other candidates compare or match up & if "Slapback"(?) would be insurmountable to them.
Ahhh. Slapback's limit is each clone is successively smaller & he needs to be able to reach his back, easier in later seasons of the show.
Small size may impede restraining, but probably not if each clone is successively smaller. Does Ben send his real Slapback body into the fray?
DemonicDude
They all look&sound the same so recognizing the real one is difficult but yes he battles along side with them, Once become like 5 feet tall then it doesn't matter how much he clones he doesn't get any smaller then that.
Also he can just purposely fall over hit his back and make clones.
Also he can just purposely fall over hit his back and make clones.
Imaginym
If he goes into the fray & is bigger than all the clones, that might make it feasible for others to easily detect him.
AoE especially might be worthwhile.
The clones also have the Omnitrix's mark or a replica of it on their body?
I guess he's kind of Low Hax because good AoE hax can beat him, & he mostly works with just a statistical/numbers advantage.
AoE especially might be worthwhile.
The clones also have the Omnitrix's mark or a replica of it on their body?
I guess he's kind of Low Hax because good AoE hax can beat him, & he mostly works with just a statistical/numbers advantage.
DemonicDude
Yeah clones have Omnitrix mark. They all shrink together so one will not be sticking out as big one.
Imaginym
Good to know. He'd probably be very difficult for anyone who doesn't have any way to reliably stay out of melee against multiple foes a few times or stronger than Slapback, I'd bet.
If I had to guess at options for dealing with him:
A. Have Flight or Teleportation so he can't approach you; He's not a threat outside of melee, besides projectiles, & even then, that may be more manageable if the flier has range of their own.
B. Teleportation. Can't approach you if you can go away instantly. However, this could be countered by the clones spreading out,. distributing themselves across the teleportation range so that whichever clones the teleport goes closest to can close off routes of escape. Pincering & stuff. Assuming the teleporter & all the Slapbacks have equal speed anyway. However, this would require Ben realizing to do this instead of just dogpiling, actually coordinating it, the teleporter not having countermeasures, & the teleporter being unable to deal with a few clones at a time. (Though they could still lose to attrition if they never end up with a chance to go after original Ben.)
C. Range/AoE. It doesn't matter how many of them there are if you can all of them at once, or the only one that matters. This requires tracking Ben from the start (Presuming he won't try to obfuscate who's the original.) or having something to detect the original.
D. Telekinesis. Slapback seems like a threat purely by physicality & quantity; Telekinesis can prevent someone moving, move them out of the way, attack at range, etc.
D. "Get off of me". Sufficient lifting strength, striking strength or attack potency can beat a dogpile, & similarly, attacks that remove multiple foes from close range from you can also deal with this. In theory, someone could also throw the clones, but this is dodgeable & maybe a bit risky.
Besides obvious answers like Power Nullification, being Incorporeal/Intangible, BFR, stat amping past what Slapback & his clones can deal with, etc. Or sufficient Fear/Mind Manipulation or Paralysis Inducement. (Or Stamina exhaustion.)
Just what I can think of off the top of my head. He's definitely surmountable, but you need a way to answer being ganged up on by more or less somewhat stronger or weaker comparable foes.
Hope this helps.
Did Slapback end up in the tournament or such?
If I had to guess at options for dealing with him:
A. Have Flight or Teleportation so he can't approach you; He's not a threat outside of melee, besides projectiles, & even then, that may be more manageable if the flier has range of their own.
B. Teleportation. Can't approach you if you can go away instantly. However, this could be countered by the clones spreading out,. distributing themselves across the teleportation range so that whichever clones the teleport goes closest to can close off routes of escape. Pincering & stuff. Assuming the teleporter & all the Slapbacks have equal speed anyway. However, this would require Ben realizing to do this instead of just dogpiling, actually coordinating it, the teleporter not having countermeasures, & the teleporter being unable to deal with a few clones at a time. (Though they could still lose to attrition if they never end up with a chance to go after original Ben.)
C. Range/AoE. It doesn't matter how many of them there are if you can all of them at once, or the only one that matters. This requires tracking Ben from the start (Presuming he won't try to obfuscate who's the original.) or having something to detect the original.
D. Telekinesis. Slapback seems like a threat purely by physicality & quantity; Telekinesis can prevent someone moving, move them out of the way, attack at range, etc.
D. "Get off of me". Sufficient lifting strength, striking strength or attack potency can beat a dogpile, & similarly, attacks that remove multiple foes from close range from you can also deal with this. In theory, someone could also throw the clones, but this is dodgeable & maybe a bit risky.
Besides obvious answers like Power Nullification, being Incorporeal/Intangible, BFR, stat amping past what Slapback & his clones can deal with, etc. Or sufficient Fear/Mind Manipulation or Paralysis Inducement. (Or Stamina exhaustion.)
Just what I can think of off the top of my head. He's definitely surmountable, but you need a way to answer being ganged up on by more or less somewhat stronger or weaker comparable foes.
Hope this helps.
Did Slapback end up in the tournament or such?
DemonicDude
no matches at all.
Thanks Imaginym very hepful
Thanks Imaginym very hepful
Imaginym
Oh, & agility might be good. Being good at enough at moving & parkouring might help evade them in a crowd. Get where it's hard to reach as you move.
Imaginym
That said, why is it helpful if you ain't using this guy in a match?
DemonicDude
Discord debates and prepration for any future matches if I found any for him.
Imaginym
Interesting. "Discord debates"? Like, just off-site arguments?
DemonicDude
Yeah there are often people in one of my friends discord server (some vsb members there as well) often times we debate on chat or on voice chat about......anything really.
Imaginym
Ah, neat. Well, happy to help.