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It depends. There isn't a consistent number we give to that.

For going from anywhere between 11-C and Low 1-A to 1-A, it's jumping up a cardinal or two (to aleph-3).

For going from 1-A to High 1-A, it's going beyond the hierarchy of alephs.

For going from High 1-A to 0, I don't believe that's clearly defined right now.

So transcending concepts is greater than P(P(Aleph-0))? Why is that.

Because, what I believe you mean by "fundamentally transcending something", is "Completely transcending something and the hierarchy it inhabits, and all extensions of it."

It seems a bit silly to equate that to just two steps on the hierarchy, as you would with P(P(Aleph-N)) where Aleph-N is the "something" being "fundamentally transcended".

Okay then, thank you.

Pardon me for barging in so suddenly, but I have just one more question.

So in a certain staff thread you said that there's a way to reach higher tier, and that's to proof that the verse is infinite dimensional? Here I quote what you said:

EDIT: Whoops, there is actually a fourth way to reach higher tiers. Infinite-D stuff is always High 1-B, and does not need to prove infinite size, be temporal, or prove ontological superiority

Here I have to question how could that be? From what I understand you need to have some kinda infinities to be tier 1? Thank you.

I don't exactly know, but infinite-D stuff is weird. If you have finite size in infinitely many dimensions, you'd have infinite size in total. Moving a finite distance across infinitely many dimensions, or as an infinite-D object, requires infinite speed. I don't properly understand how this comes together for a High 1-B rating, since I don't understand a lot of the discussions about tier 1 stuff, but according to those who designed the system, it does.

Who's responsible for designing the tiering system, if I may ask?

While the general structure comes from the Russian Anime Character Fights wiki, brought over here by DarkLK, the mathematical formulation was created through extensive discussions with Ultima Reality, Aeyu (sometimes called Dee), DontTalkDT, and me. I got that High 1-B stuff from asking Ultima and Aeyu.

Who's Aeyu? I know Ultima but I have never heard of AeYu (Can you tell his/her username if that's okay with you).

She doesn't hold an account on the wiki or forum anymore, but she still talks about these sorts of things through Discord with active members.

I assume it's on the secretive Vsb discord (The one that not just everyone can enter) so it's pointless to try get in contact with her/him.

Thanks a lot Agnaa, you really help me a lot.