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Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
They are separate characters. It’s as simple as that. I don’t know how much blatant I can be.
Urshani
They are separate characters. It’s as simple as that. I don’t know how much blatant I can be.
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Just making sure. Does this apply for every single universe i.e. SMTIV Archangels being different characters from the SMTII Archangels?
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
No, they’re still the same, just like Lilith. They still serve the same purpose, don’t show extraordinarily powerful feats in response to other interpretations, etc.
Urshani
No, they’re still the same, just like Lilith. They still serve the same purpose, don’t show extraordinarily powerful feats in response to other interpretations, etc.
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So which demons are different and which ones are the same across the multiverse?
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Cu Chulainn, Zeus, Odin, Izanami, Yaldabaoth, Demiurge, Kagutsuchi.
Urshani
are those the ones that are different or the ones that are the same, you didn't specify.

edit: judging by the context of our conversation they're the ones that are different, i think, but i was asking for specific exceptions to the infinite variations rule
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Different interpretations.
Urshani
ok if i'm understanding this right, if a demon is under the rule of a certain head god (brahman, canopus, yhvh, hoshigami) AND BY THAT I MEAN THEY'RE IN THEIR RESPECTIVE HEAD GOD'S MULTIVERSE, then they cross scale to other demons who are in the same multiverse

edit: which is important because I was going to point out that if every demon (save for a select few apparently) had a different form in every game and there was no baseline, most of MT is limited to the compendium entries + on screen feats with no cross scaling to other games
Urshani
i'm also looking through the megami tensei cosmology blog and i see nothing that would answer my question. i looked through it prior.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
I have no idea what you are asserting, frankly, much less what you’re even talking about. What do those characters have to do with this?
Urshani
I have no idea what you are asserting, frankly. What do those characters have to do with this?
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It's 2 AM so I write like a moron, so I apologize. What I'm asserting is:

All demons/shadows/personae/whatever in a multiverse ruled over by a head god scale to each other because then they follow the same basic rules. In the DDS universe, Brahman has all data flow to and back from it. This doesn't happen (to my knowledge) with YHVH. So, the DDS demons cannot cross scale to the SMT/DS/DeSu1/ demons because they are not in the same multiverse. The same applies for the Persona demons, the DeSu2 demons, and the Devil Children demons. That's what I meant by interpretation.

Unless you meant that each different artist and story is a different interpretation.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
YHVH does do that, but anyways.

Why does that matter? They’re the same being across time and space. Dx2 makes it very clear, however they are only separated when one shows a drastic difference in strength from another. The Zeus from SJ & the Zeus from PQ are fundamentally the same being, the latter just has stronger feats. I don’t know how much more blatant this gets, no idea where individual God Heads or cross-scaling comes from.
Urshani
"Same being across time and space"
Ok, ok, got it
"however they are only separated when one shows a drastic difference in strength from another."
ok, sounds fine. that would be how this site treats it so ok.
" The Zeus from SJ & the Zeus from PQ are fundamentally the same being, the latter just has stronger feats. "
ok, any other demons this applies to? Is the answer 'most of them save for a select few'?

edit: and if so, who are those select few?
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Depends, I don’t know every Demon.
Urshani
So is the number of demons that are the same in every game a very big number, then?
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
I don’t know. Like I said, there are just other versions of Demons in other timelines.
Urshani
removed the second part of my message as it was useless.
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Same response.
Urshani
I don’t know. Like I said, there are just other versions of Demons in other timelines.
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ok. can you summarize your points in a way that my 3 am brain can understand so i can wake up and not forget this and bother you later
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Milly_Rocking_Bandit
Same across time and space.
Different versions exist in different dimensions.
Only if one is shown significantly stronger do they be differentiated.
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