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I said they are not the same entity.

I made my post before your post loaded. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

if Merkabah is Irrelevant and 1-A, why can't he speedblitz everyone in tokyo?

Because game designers don’t think about the strength of characters, and even if they did, you would have a pretty shitty story if you accommodated for feats every single time.

oh ok

Also, another question. What makes the Persona final boss deities different from their forms shown in the rest of the franchise?

There’s an infinite amount of incarnations for every single thing, not just Persona. There are 2 Odins in SMT alone.

And do they all scale to each other at minimum or do the incarnations vary too much?

They don’t scale.

oh ok

in that case how do you figure out scaling? on screen feats when games vary wildly in strength? also what makes the persona incarnations of the deities stronger?

By looking at the material.

And feats.

wdym

Scaling is just… instinctive. A > B. I can’t really tell you when it’s basic logic and reasoning.

Often than not, Persona deities just show greater feats than their SMT counterparts.

Scaling is just… instinctive. A > B. I can’t really tell you when it’s basic logic and reasoning.

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I know that, but since you said that the infinite variations of demons don't scale to each other (I.E. they don't have a baseline), that would mean there would be a separate scaling for every demon in one game, no? So the protagonists can't scale to, say, Low 2-C or whatever for beating a demon like Lillith if they all have different universes. They would have to go by on screen feats, at least if I'm understanding things correctly.

Often than not, Persona deities just show greater feats than their SMT counterparts.

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Such as?

it's late so i might not be thinking right so i apologize if my posts are incoherent

It’s fairly simple. The Zeus that Kaneko designed, the Zeus Doi designed, and PQ Zeus are the same Zeus, in mythological context. However, they are drastically different in stats and feats. Persona Zeus killed the main boss in his true form before the events of the story, and you don’t even fight his true form, you fight his significantly stronger half with the alliance of his other half. That’s what I mean. Only in very specific circumstances are they equal, like Cu Chulainn being equal to himself in Dx2. Infinite renditions of Demons, means different scaling, depending on which Demon you actually fight. Beating Kaneko Zeus doesn’t mean you scale to PQ Zeus.

And your second question depends on the Deity.

It’s fairly simple. The Zeus that Kaneko designed, the Zeus Doi designed, and PQ Zeus are the same Zeus, in mythological context. However, they are drastically different in stats and feats. Persona Zeus killed the main boss in his true form before the events of the story, and you don’t even fight his true form, you fight his significantly stronger half with the alliance of his other half. That’s what I mean. Only in very specific circumstances are they equal, like Cu Chulainn being equal to himself in Dx2. Infinite renditions of Demons, means different scaling, depending on which Demon you actually fight. Beating Kaneko Zeus doesn’t mean you scale to PQ Zeus.

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Do they have a baseline? Does each Zeus have to be at least Low 2-C, or can they be lower or higher? Does this baseline rating come from scaling off other demons which also have infinite variations?

And your second question depends on the Deity.

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What about Izanami and Yaldy?

No. There is no baseline. They don’t scale, so why would there be a baseline? They are completely separate characters in terms of strength. That’s as blunt as I can put it.

Both stronger than their SMT counterparts.

I'll focus mainly on the first part, as that's where I have the most problems. I have to ask a few more questions, however?

No. There is no baseline. They don’t scale, so why would there be a baseline? They are completely separate characters in terms of strength.

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does this apply to every single demon, with only a few exceptions?