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AKM sama
When you consider the shiny dots as being real stars by default, basically that would lead to me saying that Toppo should get creation because he made real stars out of nothing. You can't prove otherwise when you already consider them as real stars from the beginning.
ProfessorKukui4Life
No, your missing what im trying to say. The "default" that would be normally applied would be contradicted by conflicting evidence that comes to dispute them as real stars.
In toppos case, we cant assume by default those are real stars since he's creating that scenery in a place that doesn't normally house stars. Had he done this in an actual universe instead of a void, then the default would hold.
In toppos case, we cant assume by default those are real stars since he's creating that scenery in a place that doesn't normally house stars. Had he done this in an actual universe instead of a void, then the default would hold.
ProfessorKukui4Life
Basically, my point is this:
Character A creates reality -> Reality displays starry background -> Nothing in the scene says its fake -> We take it as real by default
Character B creates reality -> Reality displays starry background -> The scene suggests its fake because [insert reasoning here] conflicting evidence is present within the feat -> We reject the feat
In Toppos case, he is Character B.
Character A creates reality -> Reality displays starry background -> Nothing in the scene says its fake -> We take it as real by default
Character B creates reality -> Reality displays starry background -> The scene suggests its fake because [insert reasoning here] conflicting evidence is present within the feat -> We reject the feat
In Toppos case, he is Character B.
KLOL506
I thought Toppo's feat was merely about changing the color of the void with his Hakai energy, not adding any stars into the mix, at least that's what I remember watching. Stars had nothing to do with Toppo's feat IIRC
AKM sama
No, the problem is that in half of the video games and such, the background changes randomly and displays a starry background with no explanation whenever someone waves a hand or something. If we start to consider them as real stars by default, then I can make the same case for Toppo. How?
Here's the feat:
You can clearly see the void has nothing in it except the green background. As soon as Toppo's attack warps it, a starry background is displayed. Now according to your situation, nothing in the scene says it is fake, right? There is literally zero explanation. So what is stopping me from just slapping Creation on Toppo's profile? Heck, if it was a solar system level character who did it, nothing is stopping me from saying that his real tier should be 4-A because starry sky.
Here's the feat:
You can clearly see the void has nothing in it except the green background. As soon as Toppo's attack warps it, a starry background is displayed. Now according to your situation, nothing in the scene says it is fake, right? There is literally zero explanation. So what is stopping me from just slapping Creation on Toppo's profile? Heck, if it was a solar system level character who did it, nothing is stopping me from saying that his real tier should be 4-A because starry sky.
ProfessorKukui4Life
"Now according to your situation, nothing in the scene says it is fake, right? There is literally zero explanation. So what is stopping me from just slapping Creation on Toppo's profile?"
But...there is an explanation that says its fake though. I explained it in my previous responses.
But...there is an explanation that says its fake though. I explained it in my previous responses.
KLOL506
Those don't look like real stars to me TBH, they're too perfectly round and don't shine with a flickering effect unlike some of the examples of such feats I've seen in fiction
AKM sama
What is that explanation? We have been given zero explanation.
How stars are portrayed is really inconsistent from fiction to fiction. You can see the Goku vs Beerus fight again and real stars in that are also round and don't flicker. And I hardly see any animation that really makes them flicker and does not make them round.