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Queen_Dasania
Ok I found the explosion. It’s in chapter 3. I’ll try to find some reference. Them make some estimations. If I think it’ll be above city block level, I’ll do the calc:)
Queen_Dasania
Ok, so again, very little reference. And we don’t see the full explosion, so it could really be even more powerful

That being said, I took a random guess that the window areas we see were the size of a floor, about 14 feet. Absolutely random, I don’t have much reason to assume that, but it’s the best I could come up with

That would make the explosion at least 300 meters in radius about. We don’t technically see it destroy it… the maze just kinda ends after that. But let’s just take a moderate assumption of 10 psi.

Running these numbers, it could be multi city block level. But the only real issue is that both the pressure, and area of the explosion rely on assumptions I can’t really prove, and any good calc member would call that out

It’s also not immensely higher than the city block level we already calced

And visually, this is arguably one of the best feats within the maze. So if this doesn’t yield too high, I’m not sure what would

So I think we should be safe calling Shinigami “City block level, far higher with right answers, possibly up to universe level+”

I’ll look into the pocket dimension rq
Queen_Dasania
Do you know if we have any direct evidence of this being her making the pocket dimension? Like any statements or anything

As that’s required to even think about calculating this. We need proof that she made it, not an illusion, and didn’t just transport us to an existing area
Queen_Dasania
I’m actually gonna handle this all. If you can find anything, lmk. But I think I know all I need to find in order to fully place Shinigami’s level
Queen_Dasania
Ok so:

I looked into the mystery labyrinths. How they’re destroyed. And the barrel minigame

First off. She basically says the mystery labyrinths are just there. She calls them alternate universes, but never says she makes them. They seem to form whenever a mystery happens. She has the ability to interact with them

As for the barrel minigame; I see no substantial evidence of this being a pocket dimension she created. At least not enough for it to apply within this wiki. I’m a bit confused on calcing creation feats, but an estimate shows this would probably be town level, give or take, if we can prove she creates this as a pocket dimension

It could easily just be a function of the labyrinths. She does say she’ll work together with Yuma, so it implies she could be making it… but she could just be transporting them to another place for it. It’s just iffy. That being said, potential maybe town level features? I don’t think it would be immensely powerful, unless we prove she makes a star too

As for destroying the labyrinth? It could be the labyrinth being destroyed on its own. But she does a fancy attack right before they’re destroyed. So it leaves me to believe she actually is using her own power to destroy it, and just needs to solve it to do so

As for where it scales? It’s said to be an alternate universe. That feels like universe level+ for me. If you don’t think that’s substantial enough though, I could try to find something else to reference how big the labyrinth dimensions may be
Jinx666
Jinx666
The Shinigami Puzzle is created by her, as are the barrels. Its due to her special power that she assists Yuma in finding an answer to whatever mystery he needs. He then empowers her with truth for her laser.

The pocket reality itself contains a few islands and a star, and there is a night time variant which suggests a night-time cycle. Id put her around Tier 4 in creation with this,and heavy explanation. Im compiling everything that I can find abt the Labyrinths but still got two more to get through. This wouldnt translate to her physicals though honestly. Mystery Labyrinths on the other hand do create entire starry scapes and celestial bodies in the background (such as in Chapter 0 and Chapter 1).

Shinigami is known for adding theatrics to her powers, for example like how she doesnt actually have to vomit out the solution keys. We see in Chapter 4's ML that she doesnt need to do an entire attack to reap the soul, and can instead just reap it through a simple hug (like she did for Yakou's). Idk if i fully trust her power other than reaping the soul the Mystery Labyrinth is tied to is to do with the universe, and even she is unaware of why she is connected to the Labyrinth in the first place. The sheer flair of her Bella Fresco is likely just cosmetic stuff to go along with all the magical girl stuff in her kit.

She doesn't make them or have control over their formation, she can just simply navigate and interact with it. She even implies in Chapter 5 that she can allow herself to disappear alongside the labyrinth if she wanted so i reckon its structure is still kind of 'beyond her'. Labyrinths also seem to vary in general size and influence, since Shinigami suggests they need to gaina certain level of notoriety before they have enough power to breach the real world
Queen_Dasania
I see, that makes sense. I think 4-C makes the most sense for the Shinigami Puzzle. 4-A only applies if you have a starry background that can be confirmed to be actual stars, which I’m not sure we could confirm

Based off the creations page, I think the mystery Labyrinth is anywhere from 4-A to low 2-C. Since you say they have starry backgrounds and such. And she calls them “alternate universes”, which would imply they are comparable to our universe, just different. It also seems to have its own time stream unrelated to ours

And yeah, as I said, I agree with her not making the Labyrinth’s at all. As for her power scaling to her pocket dimensions? Questionable, as she does say she’s using her power to make it. But that being said, if she can be hurt during the god shinigami sequence by the things she’s hurt by, then she shouldn’t physically be anywhere close to star level. I still do argue the case of her scaling to destroying the Labyrinth. But I can see it being just a “possibly”

But yeah, I just struggle to find anything I could reasonably calculate over city block level. We definitely have enough to say that she’s higher with right answers. Keep do looking for feats if you want though. It’s entirely possible there’s something else I could calculate
Jinx666
Jinx666
Mystery Labyrinths themselves are definitely universes, we just cant be sure of the scale. They manifest everything to do with the mystery and increase the more notoriety they gather, but still prove they can spatially compact their size (otherwise they wouldnt all be contained in that one large structure). I'm gathering everything I can still but yeah, Shinigami is a whole other can of worms tbh
Queen_Dasania
Ok! Yeah, she’s super complicated. Especially having so much power within the labyrinth, but then no power in our universe. Can seemingly freeze time, but only either temporarily, or for the labyrinths. I also don’t think Yuma can affect the frozen world. But he also never tried. Either way, she’s definitely complicated. I’ll mostly just handle the calc side of things as best I can

It does suck that so many feats are given such little calculatability
Queen_Dasania
One thing to keep in mind, when I think about it, is that Yuma probably doesn’t actually scale to the bullet feat. Because he also appeared frozen in time and would’ve been hit. I may calculate his bullet feat in the maze so we have something definitive to scale labyrinth Yuma off of. I think scaling him in the labyrinth from the bullet feat is ok, but it’s better to scale him from that
Jinx666
Jinx666
Its less about being frozen movement-wise in time and just Fubuki being able to react and activate her ability tbh. She is obviously much slower than her own reaction speed.
I would also say that Yuma didn't see it coming beforehand while Fubuki did

As such i think its iffy anyway that Yuma scales to even 10-A tbh. Desuhiko at least has his waiting for yuma feats, and Halara trusted him to keep the 'others safe' while also being able to restrain ppl like Yomi and Martina, but Yuma's only real physical feat outside of the ML is being able to contend with a Peacekeeper, who otherwise he gets easily subdued by. At the same time with the Chapter 5 twist, then its possible its all just surpressed. Its implied that Yuma is faster in the Labyrinth itself too, given the skill tree has stuff like 'increase movement speed' or 'make text slower' to signify Yuma's growing adeptness.

I gotta take a few days break but im almost done rewatching the game. I've been slowly jotting down stuff for Makoto too
Queen_Dasania
Fair enough. Also, no worries, take your time! It's not easy being the only people doing the work on a niche verse and not being mods lol. I'm in the process of doing the Yuma bullet dodge calc. Hopefully it'll be evaluated by the time you're back!
Jinx666
Jinx666
This wouldnt really scale to anyone (other than maybe prep-time Makoto?), but are you any good with cloud calcing feats? Could possibly calculate the energy required to make all of those rain clouds across the entirety of Kanai Ward. We have a lot of shots, map references, and cutscenes of the clouds both dispersing and reforming within seconds in a city-wide scale. Makoto even goes over confirming stuff like the cloud's density and ideal weather conditions?
Queen_Dasania
I could, maybe. I actually thought about that when playing the game, just forgot to look into it now. Of course, yeah, no one scales. Not really even Makoto’s ap. It would only be for that specific feat. But I could do it

Also, Yuma’s bullet dodging fest hasn’t been evaluated, but it was only subsonic+, so pretty irrelevant, honestly

But yeah, I can look into calculating that
Jinx666
Jinx666
Yeah, at best it only shows like, the tech capability of the series? Or at least Makoto/Number One's intelligence since this was literally built makeshift in about a week iirc
Jinx666
Jinx666
Thats me finished with the walkthrough again. Got most of the feats I need for Shinigami, Makoto, Yuma and the Mystery Labyrinth. After that, its only really Yomi who could suffice a profile but luckily i remember all of his involvement pretty much. Dont think i;ll include his Phantom in the same page since its a separate entity
Queen_Dasania
Yeah for Yomi, it’s mostly just scaling. He doesn’t have much in the way of feats that I remember

Keep letting me know labyrinth feats if there are a more! I’ll calculate anything I can

And yeah. The phantoms probably need their own profile

If you have any shots of the cloud feat btw, please show me! I’ll look myself, but I don’t remember exactly where they’re at
Jinx666
Jinx666
Idk if we need to give every Phantom a profile. I WAS thinking of making a Mystery Labyrinth profile but that'd be after any characters. Makoto however could get a key since he literally merged with his.

- where cloud generator feats starts.

As for Mystery Labyrinth stuff (ill send notes on feats i noticed)

[ who could collapse a clocktower.]
[ Parries text into a large Ama-Pal, knocking it down.]
[ Creates a keyhole-shaped barrier to block Makoto’s strike which releases a large explosion.](Chap5))
[ Parried Amaterasu train cart in ML]
[https://youtu.be/15WVF1bpUzs?si=3fzcWirQNhESZrv9&t=3860 Makoto Tanks Yuma’s explosion attack, though is disarmed with solution blade.]
[https://youtu.be/ogKTB_3IfXY?si=IXYQFo1uk52Rp36e&t=3321 Shinigami shoots large bomb far away into the distance to explode.]
*[https://youtu.be/ogKTB_3IfXY?si=o0_q2--lI9kncOPi&t=2250 Shinigami laser destroys building chunk.]
Queen_Dasania
Oh yeah, I just mean one profile for “mystery phantoms”

And I’ll check all those out:
Queen_Dasania
i can possibly do at least an estimated calc for the cloud. You mentioned that the density or something was stated by Makoto?

From what I’m seeing visually, none of those feats will pass what we’ve already calculated
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