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I posted the majority of the information on the layers thread, but basically, there's multiple showcases of cultivators resisting lower level cultivators even within the same realm. With a statement to go with that as well.

It doesn't quite apply to specific abilities not inherent to cultivators at X realm though, at least not yet.

Thanks for answering! I still have a few more questions, if you don't mind (first time indexing a Xianxia novel). From what I'm seeing, each realm supposedly has 10 levels, though I checked ISSTH wiki, and Foundation Establishment was only like, 5-6 levels. Is the reason it is 10 levels as well is because of different Ergen series having 10 levels at the 2nd realm, or is it something else?

I'm asking because of the series I'm reading, with it stating that there is a huge difference between like 8th realm and 9th realm, as big as the difference from 1st realm to 8th realm, and was wondering if those qualify for extra layering? Not to mention there are other Worlds who have 10 levels in second realm compared to the main world, would that also qualify to assume 2nd realm in general have 10 levels?

Additionally, what about abilities that only work on those with lower cultivation realm, and is useless against those of higher realms? As in, an explicit statement stating that Power Null can't work against character stronger than them, would that qualify for General Abilities? Or if a character stated that, with all of their ability, their Battle Strength only reached 6th realm, and 7th realm ones would slaughter them, would that be enough to assume 7th realm cultivators have resistance to all the character's abilities at that point, or is it a stretch?

Foundation Establishment in ISSTH actually has 10 levels. The reason it is 6 levels in early ISSTH is later revealed to be due to Ji Tian meddling with the Heavens of the Ninth Mountain and Sea Realm.

The second paragraph is a very common concept (even Ergenverse has it) but I've never really applied it to hax so I wouldn't know.

For the third case, there's a direct instance of a cultivator who is physically more powerful having their Qi nulled due to their opponent having higher cultivation in Ergenverse (i.e. Bai Xiaochun's first mission). Do you have any similar things?

Oh, that's kinda similar to my case. Between 9th and 10th realm, there can be thousands of great realms, but due to Grand Dao imposing rules, all of them would just be below 10th realm, even if massively superior to 9th realm.

Understood, I'll try using it later on to see if it sticks.

For PNull? Solely due to higher cultivation, I don't think so, no. Mostly because the MC kinda has ridiculously strong Body compared to other cultivators, with it being stronger than even those at higher realms, though he never uses it against those cultivators, or those equal to him in realm, since it was stated it didn't work on those stronger or equal to him (even though he's physically more powerful than them in cases I mentioned above). Additionally, the power could be learned (as it is a thing that many cultivators could get, but requires many things to do). Additionally, I recall statement where "strength" didn't just mean physical strength, but that, mind, soul strength, cultivation level, etc...

That said, there was a statement of an 8th realm (the realm where domains appear) cultivators being able to butcher millions of 7th realm cultivators (This is the realm where they can use Laws), with it being stated it was due to their domain, and that they can negate the powers solely due to their domain, with it being 100x more severe against cultivators who cultivate the same Dao.

I do also have instances where higher realmed cultivators didn't get affected by paralysis of mind and soul due to them having a higher form of Qi granted by being higher realmed. There are also instances where characters at the same realm, with one character being close to a single level higher, having be unaffected by spiritual attacks due to having a stronger soul (said realm is the realm where they train specifically on soul/mind).

The layering stuff is already accepted, but I was wondering if it was possible to extend it to abilities of specific cultivators on lower realms. Mostly because one of the strongest things was a Curse, and it was said to be powerful specifically due to it ignoring levels/realms, with this being the only ability mentioned to ignore levels, with any other ability being stated to only work till like, 6th realm (ie their Battle strength was at 6th realm, and cannot win against 7th realm cultivators).

I wanted to ask, though, wouldn't a FAR higher realmed cultivator be able to resist pretty much all of the attacks of the far lower realmed cultivators? For example, would it be plausible to say that a 9th realm cultivator is able to resist all of the attacks of a named 6th realmed cultivators (assuming the latter's battle strength is still in 6th realm, ie no higher realm battle strength BS)

I mean, going by the basic narrative structure of most Xianxia, obviously a Golden Immortal Venerable isn't having anything happen to him from an idk, Nascent Soul cultivator.

Issue is proving that on VSBW.

What about concept shenanigans? I know cultivators are resistance to concept stuff, but considering how in the majority of xianxia, the concept stuff does A LOT of stuff (Unleashing fire, suppressing space, etc...), shouldn't those all be listed by virtue of being higher realmed and resisting concept stuff?

They should be, from my understanding. Again, it's not a one-size fits all though.

Well, time to use the plug then. I'm honestly unsure if I did it correctly, so I'd like ur input on it.