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" Stop replying from this point onwards or I'm deleting the thread."

You can reply to me but I can't? regardless I addressed every single of your points and was completely debunked, I won't re-type the debunk again, since you "WILL DELETE THE THREAD" because you are a staff member of course and you must be right obviously. Showings/feats of how a new ability works >> statement from a character.

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I left it there as a final message so you would understand what I did. BTW, I meant close (I accidentally said delete), but I'm not sure how to do that right now. I could delete it as well.

You didn't debunk anything.

No, it's because I'm tired of arguing with you, there's no "I'm a staff and I must be right". That's super petty (as in blocking people that disagree with you, not your point/you) and I can admit when I'm wrong, this is just not one of those situations. Your points aren't solid.

There's no real showings/feats, though. In fact, if you want to go there, it's very similar to Hit's freeze ability that he used against SSB, which is also a different application time-skip Hit had after evolving it.

As more proof that the wiki is wrong, as well, it says "Hit's Time Prison is kept active by a glowing purple sphere, which Hit must hold and face towards his foe in order to keep active". It was the punch and an aura on his hand, not the sphere. The sphere itself was a ki attack.

• Universe 6's Hit and Universe 11's Jiren finally clash. Though Hit successfully paralyzes Jiren by evolving Time-Skip, Jiren breaks through this with stupendous power. He then concentrates a ki blast in his hand to attack Hit with.

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I have addressed all your points and were debunked, most of your claims are irrelevant or do not support your claim.

You only need to realize that the cage is made of time, Vados statement doesn't change anything, we know how time-skip works and it doesn't stop time, and people can still move.
If its the same technique that hit uses on Jiren than it wouldn't stop him, we see rocks being suspended in the air, this isn't cinematic freezing or anything that's your headcanon the rocks were showed to be inside the cage and Jiren wasn't moving yet, which debunks Vados statement or she meant something else because time-skip doesn't stop someone's movement or objects not to mention, it was a statement that he was binding, freezing him multiple times (he even said himself) inside of that cage made of time.

And we also know there is time in the cage or else the point of this debate wouldn't matter, we also know that spamming time-skip would only make jiren jump in time not stop is movements if it was only time-skip, which debunks the idea that time-skip=time-cage.

This proves that he's freezing in the cage with time since the rocks and Jiren were not showing moving , if it was time-skip only it wouldn't, we saw hit use time-skip on himself and it doesn't stop his time.

Feats/showing>>statements from a character.
At this point it will be ad nauseam if you and I continue, I won't continue.

80% of these are just the same points. There's no point in debunking them because you're just going to say the same thing. For example, if I were to say "Hit's pocket dimensions are time" and "he's using time-skip differently", then you'd just say "the cage is made of time" and "we've seen how time-skip works."

The attack was only on Jiren. Why would the rocks be frozen? It's obviously a cinematic.

All my points debunked yours, but you can say otherwise it doesn't matter.

That is the point, why the rocks weren't falling, it was showed to be inside of it, it isn't cinematic

And once again, a recycled point.

If that's the case, then everything within that radius would be frozen, which it wasn't because Goku's the same distance. It's a cinematic.

Jiren was and the cage/Dimension itself freezes them.

That's just the same thing you said before.

This is more evidence of my claims, rocks suspended, Jiren as well inside the cage since the cage is showed to be a dimension , debunks the idea of being just time-skip idk how you fail to see that.

Because I'm giving evidence that it's a cinematic.

The fact that it's a dimension also shows it's similar to time-skip, as was the freezing technique he put on Goku.

Your "evidence" doesn't work. If it's a dimension and we see rocks inside of it being suspended this proves that it's freezing in time. Idk why you fail to see that.

It being similar doesn't mean it's the same, that is not an argument, I already debunked that, time-skip doesn't stop time, freezing technique on Goku? that's actually time-stop different than time-skip that is why Goku still has time-stop resistance on his profile.

Again, it's just the same points, not even taking into account the fact that Goku was just as close. You claim to have debunked my points, but you've still debunked nothing.

It's not. His justification is "Repeatedly resisted Hit's attempts to freeze him in time until Hit powered up further, as a Super Saiyan Blue with Kaio-ken x10 and retains this resistance in stronger forms". It's actually referring to time-skip, while the freezing ability was only used once while he was in SSB Kaioken.

I claim to have debunked your points.

"Repeatedly resisted Hit's attempts to freeze him in time until Hit powered up further, as a Super Saiyan Blue with Kaio-ken x10 and retains this resistance in stronger"

Again time-skip doesn't freeze you in time, how many time do I have to tell you that? We know that hit uses time-skip to skip-time , if it stops time so would hit which you know is completely wrong, it doesn't freeze his opponent's movement.

What they mean in Goku's profile is this:
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• Time Freeze: While fighting Goku, Hit's rapid improvement allowed him to truly stop time, which he used to freeze Goku in time by touching him within the time he had already skipped, allowing him to dodge a finishing blow."

Even vs wiki and other wikis prove my point. And we know that hit can stop time

They don't because Hit used it once. What they mean is time-skip, the mechanics which wasn't delved into until their rematch.

Anyway, I'm planning a different Dragon Ball Revision thread on Buu Saga characters.

I'm going to have to find the context behind that scan.

That doesn't work and they specifically described it being used against Goku there is no statement of time-skip. And the scan I gave you, also proves he can stop time, so again your argument doesn't work.

It's best to live it there, it was cool talking about this topic have a good day.

He literally used it once. They say repeatedly, ergo it's a mistake.

I know, and I said I want to look into that scan.

I'm not leaving it there, but you can.

So repeated time-skip can freeze in time.

I will quote what you said previously responding to this comment from Goku's time-stop resistance on his profile that you pasted here:

"Repeatedly resisted Hit's attempts to freeze him in time until Hit powered up further, as a Super Saiyan Blue with Kaio-ken x10 and retains this resistance in stronger forms"

What you said:

"It's actually referring to time skip, while the freezing ability was only used once while he was in SSB Kaioken."


You just accepted that time-skip can freeze his opponent in time while responding to that comment because you said that the description is referring to time-skip but the description also says, that he tried to freeze him in time, so you just said that time-skip can freeze in time. And we also know he can stop time not just one person but multiple persons (the scan was just above my previous reply.

I didn't, I'm saying the profile is wrong because it's time-skip. Vados also says explicitly that he doesn't stop time with time-skip.

I wanted to look at the context because of the episode. Hit does this in the Future Trunks arc and with time-skip, while keeping a guy unfrozen. He doesn't use the same time freeze technique that he did against Goku, so it's an inconsistency.

That is not what you said, I just quoted why you stated , and it's that time-skip can freeze in time.

Once more you're just proving my point, if it's with time-skip then you just accepted that he stopped that person's time with time-skip (and can freeze in time as well going by what you say and was showed ), it's literally stated that he did it.

Which would prove all my point, if he can stop/freeze people in time-skip, this would explain Vados's statement of him spamming time-skip on him and not letting him move and the rocks not moving. He did use that once against goku and against those alien guys (he just stopped time for them accept the alien boss guy) , it's not inconsistent and we know that he can actually stop , freeze time.

What I said is that the quote is referring to time-skip, not time-freeze, and it's wrong for doing so.

Time-skip doesn't stop time, though. It skips time, hence the name.

He used time-skip on the boss' guards. I showed the clip. Jiren was also inside the pocket dimension, not outside.