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[4 | 1] Dragon Vs Hero (Dragon Maid Vs My Hero Academia)

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might follow this, at a glance deku seems like he outstats on all fronts but tohru does have some nifty hax that could help out here. she usually goes for BFR immediately so what're the chances of deku getting caught by a portal opening up on him suddenly and whisking him away to another dimension?
 
Deku has the clear stat advantage but that doesn't stop Tohru from BFRing him to another dimension. also I'm certain she can just keep him at by teleporting him back; but I don't recall her using it like that against anyone in combat. she got soul destruction ...and she can powernull deku too; don't see any resistance against that on his profile.
 
FlowStateOB said:
Deku has the clear stat advantage but that doesn't stop Tohru from BFRing him to another dimension. also I'm certain she can just keep him at by teleporting him back; but I don't recall her using it like that against anyone in combat. she got soul destruction ...and she can powernull deku too; don't see any resistance against that on his profile.
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Pretty much what I would go for arguing the Dragon Maid's case.
 
Tohru's AP: likely slightly upscales from 21.9 Teratons (made Lucoa use effort, which she used none when doing this)

Deku's AP: Upscales from 18.65 Teratons with 100%, 93.25 Teratons of TNT with Fa Jin

none of Deku's quirks besides Gearshift and Fa Jin are useful here. Danger Sense is negated by perception blocking and stealth mastery, Smokescreen is negated by Enhanced Senses, Blackwhip is negated by Teleportation, and Float is matched with Tohru's true flight.

Tohru also has BFR with portals and forced teleportation, acid, fire, Low-Mid, forcefields, Memory Manipulation, magic-based powernull (which wouldn't do anything against Deku cuz his powers aren't magic but it's neat ig), Sleep Manip on contact, and most powerfull of all duplication by molting or by using her "maid arts", which means Deku has to fight up to 5 Tohrus at once

...unfortunately none of this matters since Gearshift + Fa Jin = blitz-level 93.25 x 5 teraton Quintuple Detroit Smash = gg. Tohru's hax is completely irrelevant since this version of Deku is completely no-nonsense and will blitz her into oblivion

then again, if this version of Deku ISN'T accepted to have Gearshift then Tohru has a much better chance but as it stands now I'm pretty sure Deku has gearshift in this key cuz why wouldn't he, he's unlocked every other quirk from the vestiges so Gearshift should be no exception

atm voting Deku
 
Mickey1940 said:
...unfortunately none of this matters since Gearshift + Fa Jin = blitz-level 93.25 x 5 teraton Quintuple Detroit Smash = gg. Tohru's hax is completely irrelevant since this version of Deku is completely no-nonsense and will blitz her into oblivion

then again, if this version of Deku ISN'T accepted to have Gearshift then Tohru has a much better chance but as it stands now I'm pretty sure Deku has gearshift in this key cuz why wouldn't he, he's unlocked every other quirk from the vestiges so Gearshift should be no exception
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For what his profile says his Fa Jin already multiplied by 5=93.25 Teratons cuz 18.65x5=93.25, so that doesn't reach one shot level, which is 10 times if I'm not mistaken.
His profile only mentions gearshift in the second key so I guess gearshift doesn't apply here, either ways since the 5 times multiplier is already counted in the 93.25 even with gearshift it shouldn't reach one shot level.
 
Suigetsuhyugs said:
For what his profile says his Fa Jin already multiplied by 5=93.25 Teratons cuz 18.65x5=93.25, so that doesn't reach one shot level, which is 10 times if I'm not mistaken.
His profile only mentions gearshift in the second key so I guess gearshift doesn't apply here, either ways since the 5 times multiplier is already counted in the 93.25 even with gearshift it shouldn't reach one shot level.
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He can use 5 Detroit Smashes in a row in a single instance cuz of Gearshift + Fa Jin

that's 93 times another 5

and Dark Hero Deku HAS Gearshift in the Dark Hero arc, I see no reason why it wouldn't be on his profile
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
So its between the profile I'm still working on Vs my goat 😭


You make a good point. Should I remove the at most rating and make it solid?
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imo yes

dude Tohru threatened to literally suck Shota('s magic) dry

Lucoa was seeing red and Tohruwas STILL able to block and react to her attacks
 
Sooshirohl said:
might follow this, at a glance deku seems like he outstats on all fronts but tohru does have some nifty hax that could help out here. she usually goes for BFR immediately so what're the chances of deku getting caught by a portal opening up on him suddenly and whisking him away to another dimension?
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Deku shouldn't be able to get caught by the BFR naturally unless she teleports broskie or use sleep manipulation on him. But then again, sleep hax probably just doesn't work since the vestiges of One For All should be completely awakened at this point and can just forcibly wake Deku up before the BFR.

Perception block though, idk. That is also an issue.

FlowStateOB said:
she got soul destruction
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Deku resists it

FlowStateOB said:
...and she can powernull deku too; don't see any resistance against that on his profile.
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That's power nullification against magic by spreading her own magic around the battlefield. Quirks aren't magic

Mickey1940 said:
Tohru also has BFR with portals and forced teleportation, acid, fire, Low-Mid, forcefields, Memory Manipulation, magic-based powernull (which wouldn't do anything against Deku cuz his powers aren't magic but it's neat ig), Sleep Manip on contact, and most powerfull of all duplication by molting or by using her "maid arts", which means Deku has to fight up to 5 Tohrus at once
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The heat of Tohru's fire Deku should easily resist. The sleep manipulation doesn't have to be on contact. It can be ranged as well


But then again, the vestiges can wake him up

Mickey1940 said:
...unfortunately none of this matters since Gearshift + Fa Jin = blitz-level 93.25 x 5 teraton Quintuple Detroit Smash = gg. Tohru's hax is completely irrelevant since this version of Deku is completely no-nonsense and will blitz her into oblivion
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He doesnt have Gearshift in Dark Hero Arc key

Mickey1940 said:
then again, if this version of Deku ISN'T accepted to have Gearshift then Tohru has a much better chance but as it stands now I'm pretty sure Deku has gearshift in this key cuz why wouldn't he, he's unlocked every other quirk from the vestiges so Gearshift should be no exception
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Mickey1940 said:
and Dark Hero Deku HAS Gearshift in the Dark Hero arc, I see no reason why it wouldn't be on his profile
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It's not accepted on his profile that the Dark Hero key has gear shift because the brother never uses the quirk and refuses to use the quirk at all until the Final War Arc.

Suigetsuhyugs said:
For what his profile says his Fa Jin already multiplied by 5=93.25 Teratons cuz 18.65x5=93.25, so that doesn't reach one shot level, which is 10 times if I'm not mistaken.
His profile only mentions gearshift in the second key so I guess gearshift doesn't apply here, either ways since the 5 times multiplier is already counted in the 93.25 even with gearshift it shouldn't reach one shot level.
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Fa Jin can reach a one-shot level if he wants to

"Can gather up enough energy to annihilate Shigaraki's body in a single strike"

Also, that's just normal Fa Jin. This isn't even considering Fa Jin Centrifugal Force where its much stronger than that 5x and is a perception blitz amp

She does have the Holy Manipulation Sword and their durability are about equal so it’d be dangerous for him to get sliced by it so there’s that.
 
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Deku shouldn't be able to get caught by the BFR naturally unless she teleports broskie or use sleep manipulation on him. But then again, sleep hax probably just doesn't work since the vestiges of One For All should be completely awakened at this point and can just forcibly wake Deku up before the BFR.
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if he doesn't have Gearshift in this key then she just opens a portal gg, Deku can't blitz

if Danger Sense stops him from entering the portal, Perception Manip + Stealth + portal gg

if he can dodge the portal itself even if she can't sense him, forced teleportation + portal gg

her teleportation isn't contact based so she just opens the portal, yeets Deku in there instantly, gg
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Also, that's just normal Fa Jin. This isn't even considering Fa Jin Centrifugal Force where its much stronger than that 5x and is a perception blitz amp
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I genuinely can't find this on any source on the internet. Can you elaborate on this?

I was under the impression that he needed Fa Jin + Gearshift to 1 shot, as Gearshift can not only boost speed but also remove Fa Jin's charging time since he just becomes faster. Without Gearshift Deku needs to charge Fa Jin which isn't possible before Tohru just portal gg
 
Mickey1940 said:
I genuinely can't find this on any source on the internet. Can you elaborate on this?

I was under the impression that he needed Fa Jin + Gearshift to 1 shot, as Gearshift can not only boost speed but also remove Fa Jin's charging time since he just becomes faster. Without Gearshift Deku needs to charge Fa Jin which isn't possible before Tohru just portal gg
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That’s for complete obliteration innit? Fa Jin itself is just storing up energy. A normal Fa Jin without allat is 5x itself. It’s far stronger with Fa Jin Centrifugal Force.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
That’s for complete obliteration innit? Fa Jin itself is just storing up energy. A normal Fa Jin without allat is 5x itself. It’s far stronger with Fa Jin Centrifugal Force.
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I meant Fa Jin Centrifugal force. What is that?

x5 alone isn't enough for a 1 shot especially considering Tohru's regen
CastoriceTheFifth said:
OP can also switch this to Final War Full Cowl Deku since it’s the same exact stats but with Gearshift
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ah yes lemme put a 6B maid dragon against a 6A with a blitz + High 6A level amp
 
Mickey1940 said:
I meant Fa Jin Centrifugal force. What is that?
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The new name we gave Faux 100% because it confuses people when we say 30% Deku will use Faux 100%


Mickey1940 said:
x5 alone isn't enough for a 1 shot especially considering Tohru's regen
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the 5x is only for Fa Jin itself. Its much stronger in Centrifugal Force or with Gear shift.

Mickey1940 said:
ah yes lemme put a 6B maid dragon against a 6A with a blitz + High 6A level amp
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Broskie
Country level with Full Cowl (With a single hit, he instantly blasted a hole through a storm cloud of unprecedented scale while on the brink of death.[66][Statistic Value 6] After pushing past his limits, he could obliterate Rampage Form Dark Might, whom he was unable to harm earlier in his Golden Age Form[36])
 
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
The new name we gave Faux 100% because it confuses people when we say 30% Deku will use Faux 100%
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Faux 100% is just Deku in 45% using Fa Jin to replicate what he can do in 100%. It's not accepted on his profile to be any different than Fa Jin, and in-universe it's just combining 45% with Fa Jin. It's not some sort of "super fa jin"

His Dark Hero key is limited to 93.25 Teratons

Tohru already scales above 100% Deku so all he can really do is Fa Jin himself to 93.25 teratons, which isn't a 1 shot amp
CastoriceTheFifth said:
the 5x is only for Fa Jin itself. Its much stronger in Centrifugal Force or with Gear shift.
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Centrifugal Force doesn't make any sense, but gearshift does boost for more than x5, which is why I think Deku with Gearshift just stomps cuz speed blitz quintuple smash gg
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Broskie
Country level with Full Cowl (With a single hit, he instantly blasted a hole through a storm cloud of unprecedented scale while on the brink of death.[66][Statistic Value 6] After pushing past his limits, he could obliterate Rampage Form Dark Might, whom he was unable to harm earlier in his Golden Age Form[36])
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ah

I thought u meant final war 100% deku

that's my bad
 
I honestly think it's a boring stomp depending on what you restrict

No gearshift = Tohru isn't getting speed blitzed and can react to Deku = portal + tp gg
Gearshift = Tohru is getting speed blitzed and can't react to Deku = quintuple detroit smash gg
 
Mickey1940 said:
Faux 100% is just Deku in 45% using Fa Jin to replicate what he can do in 100%. It's not accepted on his profile to be any different than Fa Jin, and in-universe it's just combining 45% with Fa Jin. It's not some sort of "super fa jin"

His Dark Hero key is limited to 93.25 Teratons

Tohru already scales above 100% Deku so all he can really do is Fa Jin himself to 93.25 teratons, which isn't a 1 shot amp
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Even then, “Tohru already scaling above” is only like 1.17x gap with a likely slightly upscale.

the 18.65 Teratons is from a Quirkless Crippled Deku on his last lags and is weaker than even Pre Final Act 100% Deku’s output. Deku vastly upscales both that crippled Deku and the 100% Pre Final Act Deku in Dark Hero Arc at 100% as stated on the profile. Now imagine him doing Centrifugal Force alongside 100% (since it’s SBA). It’s still vastly up scales far beyond that 93 teraton value and 5x gap which the profile’s value was only referring to faux 100% from 45%. (3x ap gap is already a bad disadvantage for people and a 5x is single punch crippling damage) This isn’t taking into account that the brother can still charge Fa Jin beyond that. I don’t see why this wouldn’t be a one shot at that point or why Tohru would withstand that level of damage for long when her regeneration was just enough for Ilulu who was only slightly weaker than Tohru.

Mickey1940 said:
No gearshift = Tohru isn't getting speed blitzed and can react to Deku = portal + tp gg
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Centrifugal Force is still a perception blitz
 
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1. this isn't the key with gearshift

2. this key at 100% breaks his bones when using it as noted on the profile

3. Fa-Jin is a one time amp nor is it a one shot amp against Tohru

Tohru just uses her hax and TP's deku away with a gesture
 
tohru is someone who is very no nonsense against opponents and goes out of her way to end fights as quickly as possible with her hax, so yeah i don't really know what deku does if she either

A. opens up a portal on him and he just falls in
B. physically forces him into a portal
C. forcibly teleports him into a portal
D. just catches him off guard mid combat with a portal

i'm not even sure if danger sense would alert him against a portal opening up on him from what i can recall (it's been a LONG while since i watched/read MHA so my memory on it is fuzzy) so i genuinely think he just gets caught off guard by a portal and tohru just BFRs him across the planet or worse into a completely different dimension entirely

hell she could just skip the portal stuff entirely and just physically TP deku himself if she gets put up with fighting him lol
 
Sooshirohl said:
tohru is someone who is very no nonsense against opponents and goes out of her way to end fights as quickly as possible with her hax, so yeah i don't really know what deku does if she either

A. opens up a portal on him and he just falls in
B. physically forces him into a portal
C. forcibly teleports him into a portal
D. just catches him off guard mid combat with a portal

i'm not even sure if danger sense would alert him against a portal opening up on him from what i can recall (it's been a LONG while since i watched/read MHA so my memory on it is fuzzy) so i genuinely think he just gets caught off guard by a portal and tohru just BFRs him across the planet or worse into a completely different dimension entirely

hell she could just skip the portal stuff entirely and just physically TP deku himself if she gets put up with fighting him lol
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Can't danger sense be blocked by Tohru's perception block, work against enhanced sense users I believe.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Even then, “Tohru already scaling above” is only like 1.17x gap with a likely slightly upscale.

the 18.65 Teratons is from a Quirkless Crippled Deku on his last lags and is weaker than even Pre Final Act 100% Deku’s output. Deku vastly upscales both that crippled Deku and the 100% Pre Final Act Deku in Dark Hero Arc at 100% as stated on the profile. Now imagine him doing Centrifugal Force alongside 100% (since it’s SBA). It’s still vastly up scales far beyond that 93 teraton value and 5x gap which the profile’s value was only referring to faux 100% from 45%. (3x ap gap is already a bad disadvantage for people and a 5x is single punch crippling damage) This isn’t taking into account that the brother can still charge Fa Jin beyond that. I don’t see why this wouldn’t be a one shot at that point or why Tohru would withstand that level of damage for long when her regeneration was just enough for Ilulu who was only slightly weaker than Tohru.
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this is true, he does upscale from his value by a lot, I didn't consider that, but the problem is without gearshift he needs too much time to charge Fa Jin to that degree plus he'd need Blackwhip to stretch off of something to bounce him forward. Tohru already is equalized to 100%'s speed and even if his charging time is a few seconds, Tohru opening a portal is almost instant, and if she sees him dodging the portal a single time she just uses teleportation to force him in and it's over. This takes less than a second
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Centrifugal Force is still a perception blitz
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CHARGING that isn't, so Tohru would just still BFR.

My entire argument is that Gearshift already boosts speed faster than Tohro can deal with, and he can charge Fa Jin during Gearshift safely without issue and then he'd literally stonewall Tohru and quintuple detroit smash her to death.

Without Gearshift she just sees this weird green kid kicking the air over and over and then just portals him, as opposed to a Gearshifted green blur for a split second before she gets obliterated
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Why are we talking about portals again when Tohru can technically just teleport people to space by pointing
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i mean

yeah she could also do that

but it's more in character for her to portal first cuz the dragon world is another dimension and she doesn't wanna risk him potentially coming back from space (even though he can't but she doesn't know that)
 
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