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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

Yeah, it doesn’t really make sense for a Deku who is narratively implied to be weak to be actually the strongest hero alive at that point. The whole narrative of the AFO Chaos battle is that Deku inspires others to act due to his weakness and it requires the rest of Class A to take attacks for him and push him forward.
Yes it does lol. Denki says that despite Deku being the strongest person alive, he can't feel reassured. The whole point is that Deku can't emulate All Might's energy and methodology because he's his own person. Not that he's physically weaker.
 
Yes it does lol. Denki says that despite Deku being the strongest person alive, he can't feel reassured. The whole point is that Deku can't emulate All Might's energy and methodology because he's his own person. Not that he's physically weaker.
That is before he launches all of OFA into Tomura alongside his own accumulated power. Denki said that while he was in Overlay fighting Tomura. The final punch is way after that when he’s weaker.
 
Yes it does lol. Denki says that despite Deku being the strongest person alive, he can't feel reassured. The whole point is that Deku can't emulate All Might's energy and methodology because he's his own person. Not that he's physically weaker.
Deku when he fights shiggy in overlay is still PAM lvl

The Final Punch is not since its later in the fight and hes way weaker then
 
Yo, I had this recalc of the Izuku and Bakugou storm feat made up like 3 years ago give or take, I was wondering if anyone could confirm whether it holds up or not, and if we could possibly apply the Prime Might multiplier to it giving the context surrounding the feat?

Feat: Deku and Bakugo vaporising Nine's storm

I am going to be looking at an already existing calc and fine-tuning it to give a more believable number. Namely, I will be reducing the height of the storm slightly and will be assuming percentages of the storm being condensed water, instead of the whole thing being vaporised.

The feat in question is in this clip, specifically the second "blast" when they start screaming harder. It looks as if the storm is vaporised, at least the majority, thus I'll be using the vaporisation of water.





Updated stuffs:

Storm height px = 358 px

Storm height m = 307412.2976 m



Storm volume = 1.119525302x10^17 m^3 = 1.119525302x10^23 cc



Assuming percentages of condensed water:

Given that the storm is very dark, even looking blue/purple in some areas, it's likely to contain quite a bit of condensed water. 10% seems like a good start point, though it may contain more, so I'll also be doing higher percentages alongside it.



10% = 1.119525302x10^22 cc

20% = 2.239050604x10^22 cc

50% = 5.597626509x10^22 cc

100% = 1.119525302x10^23 cc



Vaporisation of water = 2575 J/cc



Energy required:

10% = 2.882777653x10^25 J

20% = 5.765555305x10^25 J

50% = 1.441388826x10^26 J

100% = 2.882777653x10^26 J



All of them are Multi-Continental. 100% is likely not the case, however the others are all plausible.

Edit: Video ain’t working, but it’s just the final battle on Nabu Island.

Yo can you calc how hot endeavors flames r since it was compared to star and stripes laser attack that vaporized the parts of the ocean! Or in vigi he shoots fire at pure plasma and it explodes
 
I was re-watching the Deku vs. Shigaraki fight where he uses Gear Shift for the first time, and I don't know if this was ever looked into, but why is it so different from the manga? In the final clash, there was no struggle—the manga was just a blitz. But the anime shows us that apparently Deku's Fa Jin + Gear Shift combo attack hurts not only Shigaraki's body but also the All For One persona inside him, showing him also bleeding from the attack. And afterwards, it stuns HIM? Banjo says, 'Well, he can't move either' (when Deku is on recoil) because One For All and All For One are still resonating with each other. I don't know if these feats are relevant, but it seems like something that's been overlooked or doesnt matter cuz didnt happen in manga.
 
I was rewatching the Deku vs. Shigaraki fight where he uses Gear Shift for the first time, and I don't know if this has ever been looked into, but why is it so different from the manga? In the final clash, there was no struggle—the manga was just a blitz. But the anime shows that Deku's Fa Jin + Gear Shift combo attack hurts not only Shigaraki's body but also the All For One persona inside him, with Shigaraki bleeding from the attack. And afterward, it stuns HIM? Banjo says, 'Well, he can't move either' (when Deku is on recoil) because One For All and All For One are still resonating with each other. I don't know if these feats are relevant, but it seems like something that's been overlooked or doesn't matter cuz didnt happen in the manga.
i think manga has better feats for the clash anyways, and the anime is weird? We are told afo he can't keep up with deku, yet he can connect a fist with deku when he's using Overdrive + Fajin stored up??? like wouldnt deku be even faster then when he first used gear shift since he has fajin
 
i think manga has better feats for the clash anyways, and the anime is weird? We are told afo he can't keep up with deku, yet he can connect a fist with deku when he's using Overdrive + Fajin stored up??? like wouldnt deku be even faster then when he first used gear shift since he has fajin
though the anime trying say deku without transfering his punches can harm souls with that all for one bleeding out visual played twice
 
I was re-watching the Deku vs. Shigaraki fight where he uses Gear Shift for the first time, and I don't know if this was ever looked into, but why is it so different from the manga?
I imagine it’s different to make the fight fit the animated medium better. I mean, the biggest complaint I’ve heard for the Gearshift fight is the strictness to the manga’s panels and unwillingness to stray from the manga’s presentation.
i think manga has better feats for the clash anyways, and the anime is weird? We are told afo he can't keep up with deku, yet he can connect a fist with deku when he's using Overdrive + Fajin stored up??? like wouldnt deku be even faster then when he first used gear shift since he has fajin
They extended the clash to fit You Say Run I believe. The anime shows Shigaraki move before Deku makes his hit, so it’s also likely that Deku is, for whatever reason, trying to clash with Shigaraki (possibly to weaken his body by destroying his main appendage). Thus he’d still be faster.
though the anime trying say deku without transfering his punches can harm souls with that all for one bleeding out visual played twice
They show him bleeding out in the manga twice as well. I think it’s just supposed to represent Tomura’s consciousness regaining control due to AFO focusing more on the fight with Deku than subduing Tomura. We see the same visual later when Tomura bursts out of him.
 
though the anime trying say deku without transfering his punches can harm souls with that all for one bleeding out visual played twice
Heres the link to stuff im talking about deku punches effect souls?? Without transfer
I imagine it’s different to make the fight fit the animated medium better. I mean, the biggest complaint I’ve heard for the Gearshift fight is the strictness to the manga’s panels and unwillingness to stray from the manga’s presentation.

They extended the clash to fit You Say Run I believe. The anime shows Shigaraki move before Deku makes his hit, so it’s also likely that Deku is, for whatever reason, trying to clash with Shigaraki (possibly to weaken his body by destroying his main appendage). Thus he’d still be faster.

They show him bleeding out in the manga twice as well. I think it’s just supposed to represent Tomura’s consciousness regaining control due to AFO focusing more on the fight with Deku than subduing Tomura. We see the same visual later when Tomura bursts out of him.
Heres the link to stuff im talking about deku punches effect souls?? Without transfer
 
Heres the link to stuff im talking about deku punches effect souls?? Without transfer

Those statements don’t say that his punches affected the soul. They are talking about how Shigaraki’s defiance is causing the merge to be halted. These statements are also present in the manga as well (chapter 369 for image 1, and chapter 377 for images 2-4).
 
Of course you can go by Stain's definition of a "true hero" but everyone with a brain knows Stain is batshit insane and a universal liability whose harm both in action and ideology dwarfs any positive merit that could be attributed to him, which there are barely any.
Yeahhhhh....................no thank you, I know Stain is a fraud:ROFLMAO:😭.

Now, Deku's self sacrifice does not only include him sacrificing himself literally, but his "save to win" ideology is also a part of it. All the other "true" heroes in the series never took it as seriously as him. In every moment where Deku saw a chance to salvation, he didn't hesitate to grab it.
 
Now, Deku's self sacrifice does not only include him sacrificing himself literally, but his "save to win" ideology is also a part of it. All the other "true" heroes in the series never took it as seriously as him. In every moment where Deku saw a chance to salvation, he didn't hesitate to grab it.
Uraraka literally fought while she was on the verge of death to save the girl who stabbed her and try and foster understanding with her and see her smile for one of the first times in her life. She jumped in to save Midoriya during the Blackwhip scene, even though it was destroying everything around Deku and could have killed her. One of her first big moments is her trying to give her points on the entrance exam to Deku, even though those points could have cost her her place at UA for all she knew. Bakugo pushed himself past his limits to save All Might, literally coughing up blood once he did so. Midnight died trying to save her students. All Might exposed his true form to save a civilian, even though that form being exposed would kill the idea of the symbol of Peace. And then in his Armored fight, he is content with sacrificing his life in order to ensure the safety of the world. Even Mt. Lady, a character who initially seems very shallow, is shown to risk her life to stop Machia and All For One respectively. Throughout the series we see self-sacrificial heroes, it’s one of the core traits of heroism according to All Might. Deku merely stripped the metaphorical “godhood” that heroes had through his weakness. Him fighting so hard despite his weaker visage compared to All Might, along with his willingness to share his emotions and to break his body allowed the view of heroes as something above humans to be broken and showed the world that heroism doesn’t just belong to pro-heroes or those with strong quirks.
 
I have a better question, if Mirko was to kick weakened All Might would her leg break on contact or would All Might genuinely explode?
Narratively, All Might takes it, laughs and punches her into space.

WAM was still the strongest hero around with AFO making a joke out of everyone else. He was so strong that obessesed nerds like Deku and Hyper obessesed rivals like Endeavor has no idea he has gotten weaker. Shigaraki was literally told by AFO that "Yeah you will have easier time, he is weakened after we nearly killed eachother."

His first reaction to seeing the goat was, "Master lied, he isn't weaker at all."

Because the narrative shifted from "Number one symbol of peace" to "Unity and team work." The titans of the verse got shafted into being weaker or just incompetent.
 
I have a better question, if Mirko was to kick weakened All Might would her leg break on contact or would All Might genuinely explode?
Probably something in between, going off her attacks on Shigaraki.
Because the narrative shifted from "Number one symbol of peace" to "Unity and team work." The titans of the verse got shafted into being weaker
Not sure they got weaker. The best feats occur at the end of the story.
or just incompetent.
This is kinda true for AFO, because he literally did get needed and turned into a hormonal teenager (plus he got mega ragebaited lmao). Deku, All Might and Tomura got smarter as the story progressed if anything.
Narratively he wouldn't do that
“I am the All Might. And I can do whatever the f*ck I want”
 
Narratively, All Might takes it, laughs and punches her into space.
When you say narratively is that an attempt to disregard feats depicting otherwise by saying it doesn’t make sense in story?
What if I say narratively this doesn’t make sense.
For example… Tomura, who isn’t physically capable of reacting to All Might, could actually perceive All Might’s movements and was shocked by the fact that he could.

P

WAM was still the strongest hero around with AFO making a joke out of everyone else. He was so strong that obessesed nerds like Deku and Hyper obessesed rivals like Endeavor has no idea he has gotten weaker.
All Might in his prime never had to use his full power against anyone but PAFO. So why would they be aware of him weakening if they never actually seen that power? (This is also sorta retconned, because latter in the series people started referencing prime All Might levels of power despite not being aware of it early series.
Deku references it in the Dark Hero arc, Hawks references it, Best Jeanist references it, edgeshot references it).
Endeavor and Todoroki and a couple heroes being capable of immediately determining that Deku/USJ Nomu were comparable to WAM’s 100% implies that at some points All Might had to use 100% against some people regular for people to have an understanding of that level of power and to make accurate comparisons of it.
Also, Endeavor, someone capable of accurately accessing weakened All Might’s strength, believed someone with his Firepower and the ability to cool themselves down would actually surpass All Might. Just noting that.
Shigaraki was literally told by AFO that "Yeah you will have easier time, he is weakened after we nearly killed eachother."

His first reaction to seeing the goat was, "Master lied, he isn't weaker at all."
AM specifically had to go beyond his 100% to defeat the Nomu. Tomura, was shocked by this and couldn’t believe he got weaker because as he just saw, All Might appeared stronger than what he should have been.
AFO confirms that AM was indeed weakened.

Because the narrative shifted from "Number one symbol of peace" to "Unity and team work." The titans of the verse got shafted into being weaker or just incompetent.
Tbf, even with All Might helping make plans for the final war, the heroes thought Endeavor and an out of prime Hawks could take out AFO 2v1 despite him going High diff with All Might. The cliff between these them and the verse cannot be that high if they felt like Endeavor and hawks could 2v1 a straight up established All Might level fighter.
 
When you say narratively is that an attempt to disregard feats depicting otherwise by saying it doesn’t make sense in story?
What if I say narratively this doesn’t make sense.
For example… Tomura, who isn’t physically capable of reacting to All Might, could actually perceive All Might’s movements and was shocked by the fact that he could.

His first reaction. Keyword - first.
All Might in his prime never had to use his full power against anyone but PAFO. So why would they be aware of him weakening if they never actually seen that power? (This is also sorta retconned, because latter in the series people started referencing prime All Might levels of power despite not being aware of it early series.
Deku references it in the Dark Hero arc, Hawks references it, Best Jeanist references it, edgeshot references it).
Endeavor and Todoroki and a couple heroes being capable of immediately determining that Deku/USJ Nomu were comparable to WAM’s 100% implies that at some points All Might had to use 100% against some people regular for people to have an understanding of that level of power and to make accurate comparisons of it.
Also, Endeavor, someone capable of accurately accessing weakened All Might’s strength, believed someone with his Firepower and the ability to cool themselves down would actually surpass All Might. Just noting that.
Or the author just forgot like the point of PAM ?
AM specifically had to go beyond his 100% to defeat the Nomu. Tomura, was shocked by this and couldn’t believe he got weaker because as he just saw, All Might appeared stronger than what he should have been.
AFO confirms that AM was indeed weakened.

Yes he was. We know that. I.. Wtf ? I never said he wasn't. Wtf are you going on about.
Tbf, even with All Might helping make plans for the final war, the heroes thought Endeavor and an out of prime Hawks could take out AFO 2v1 despite him going High diff with All Might. The cliff between these them and the verse cannot be that high if they felt like Endeavor and hawks could 2v1 a straight up established All Might level fighter.
Again at the end of season 6 the show had a massive narrative shift. In that same high diff with All Might, AFO was treating Gran Torino, Endeavor and Edgeshot like toddlers.

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They felt they could take out AFO because Horikoshi realized he has made villains op. This is same arc where the Near High ends that had endeavor and hawks ******** blood got turned into background props.
 
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