If the layering is going to be used as an argument in this thread, then the evidence and logic supporting it should be presented. Referring to the profile tells me the conclusion that was reached, but not how that conclusion was derived.
Basically, Basic Spark itself is a law that has their users be as strong as their desires. Firsthand experiences of this include just about every Geats Riders and their mothers equalising their stats to their opponents in-series to the point of being able to fight against and alongside tier 1 characters, RE that kicks in so that they can better dispatch enemies that have obnoxious hax and even minorly affect the feverslots buckle to get the buckle they need. This is baseline.
However, awakened/God Of Genesis Users can manipulate and bestow other people with their own law that is more powerful than the basic spark law due to the fact that Basic Spark users are usually unable to RE out of their hax. I've brought up the Buffa Jyamashin form, a specific form that is invincible against other Kamen Riders due to a law bestowed on him by a Goddess Of Genesis based on the law of "having the power to destroy all kamen riders". Sounds familiar? They work very similarly to Reinhard's divine protection here. No basic spark user is able to RE out of the law manipulation from Buffa's Jyamashin Form nor those from higher spark levels, hence the 1 layer.
That is until Buffa, who was stripped of this law in the next arc, was somehow able to RE it back, allowing him to use this form once again. The fact that he's able to regain this law on his own basic spark gives him (and only him) a second layer.
The Future Ace, however, is able to damage Buffa despite the "Invincibility Against All Kamen Riders" Rule which considers him a Kamen Rider. Hell, he was even going to revert and remove said law (as well as his form) away until the Current Ace intervenes. Future Ace and Current Ace's spark are equal enough to the point that they're unable to affect each other with their reality warping, and hence both Aces get a third layer.
Even if the extra layering is wrong on some part, at least one layer is rock solid in spark. It does help that the crt was looked into clearly by ActuallySpaceman, so the layering is legit as far as I know. But we can agree to disagree.
atp its becoming a pattern, we might need to make an Od Laguna page afterall...
The biggest reason why this needs to be done is because Squall's father is just being perceived as some higher being that gives Reinhard a lot of hax and shit, rather than just being some actual bigshot in vsbw.
Can't be my goats The Golden Fruit Users and Geats
Anyways, Od Laguna can store information from timelines destroyed by RBD and is
the creator/
foundation of the verse. Those destroyed timelines do not appear to affect Od Laguna itself, as the destruction is carried out through an Authority
that is explicitly permitted by Od Laguna. Od Laguna is also a
conceptual existence rather than a conventional physical entity, so I don't see a basis for Ace perceiving or directly identifying it with the abilities currently shown on his profile.
Cool and all, but I don't really think that Ace necessarily needs to actually know of Od's existence to properly deal with Reinhard here. Reinhard having absurd stuff will tick Ace off that someone like him is powering Reinhard up, and push him to directly deal with his haxes.
It also helps that all Awakened Users are technically Od Lagunas of their world, so it's not hard to put two and two together.
The justification also shows Spark manipulating concepts that are fundamental to the existence of its universe. That's sufficient for cm type 1. What I don't see is evidence that Spark has affected the metaphysical source that governs those concepts rather than the concepts themselves.
In other words, "Spark can rewrite the world" does not automatically lead to "Spark can rewrite the source that governs the world." That additional step still needs to be demonstrated.
To put into perspective what exact aspects and concepts Ace can manipulate here is the stuff from
this page:
- Concept (Type 1 - Outerversal; Ridewatches can absorb the powers of Saber, who eventually becomes the Guardian of the Almighty Book - the source of all stories, concepts, and history. Another Ridewatches can absorb abstract concepts such as the "Heisei" period, which exists in the Real World)
- History (When a Rider has their powers absorbed by a Ridewatch, history is altered to accommodate the lack of said Kamen Rider in the timeline. It may even be replaced by the user of an Another Ridewatch)
- Story (7D; When a Kamen Rider has their powers taken by a Ridewatch, it completely erases their story from the overall narrative of Kamen Rider. Other seasons and eras are not affected by this and their stories continue as they were despite some canonical events being completely unable to happen without certain Kamen Riders existing within the timeline)
- Soul (Ridewatches also store the Rider's souls)
- Ego (Rider powers are their very ego. When another Rider uses their power, a part of their personality affects that Rider, sometimes causing the wielders to unintentionally replay their actions, gestures, and words)
- Will/Consciousness (Rider powers are the manifestation of a Rider's will and their determination. Will is the equivalent of a consciousness)
- Physiology (Ridewatches can absorb the physiology of non-human beings and make them human, such as Inui Takumi being the Wolf Orphnoch, Hajime being an Undead, or even abstract and nonexistent beings like Takeru, Kouta, etc)
- Memory/Data/Information (Type 2; A Rider's power contains. Time and history is constructed out of memories. When a Rider activates a Ridewatch, it restores their memories and existence that were erased from history)
- Energy (Quantum level; Rider's power is a fundamental force of the universe, existing in the purest form of energy down to the quantum level, allowing them to freely control and destroy space-time)
It also helps that abilities he has can directly affect the source that governs the world (
cough cough other Awakened Users/Gods of Genesis
cough cough), like being able to completely erase an Awakened User from existence.
