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Punch Out!!! - Revisions and some upgrades
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Both the Great Tiger calcs are wrong, you're scaling him to his illusions in the Wii versions which is fine if you want the speed of the one spell but getting KE from it makes no sense when they never hit anything and we're even shown they're immaterial. As for the NES one... he literally teleports, what are we talking about? It's his whole thing.
Most of the other calcs are fine but the truck one is also wrong. You're not dragging the truck across the ground, you're pulling it, the wheels are going to roll which makes moving it a lot easier, this is something human beings can do in real life.
I disagree with like... most of the P&A for Mac except for Healing. Just training isn't preparation, it's common sense for an athlete. If he specifically trained to counter the opponent's techniques, sure, but he doesn't do that. Enhanced Senses need to be superhuman, recognizing how to counter a technique is just intellect. If anything it'd be Info Analysis, but when Great Tiger has a literal glowing bright tell that warns you when he's going to attack I struggle to find it that impressive. Having fans and people trying to make deals with you when you're a world class athlete isn't Social Influencing, it's the default. It's fine-ish for Flamenco and Macho Man since they actually use their charisma.
Animal Manipulation is the ability to mentally control or influence animals, it's like mindhax but for animals. Being capable of speaking with one isn't that. For some reason we don't really have a power for it, I think Automatic Translation is fine-ish though. Sandman getting mad isn't empowering him either, it's just motivating him to train more. Again, that's just not a power. Prep for the other characters is also really flimsy, they're not really specifically adapting to Mac they're just... training, that's what athletes do.
I also hope you're going to add references, post scans on the wiki itself (or link to an image hosting site like imgchest rather than a different wiki) and fix up the grammar for all of these additions.
Most of the other calcs are fine but the truck one is also wrong. You're not dragging the truck across the ground, you're pulling it, the wheels are going to roll which makes moving it a lot easier, this is something human beings can do in real life.
I disagree with like... most of the P&A for Mac except for Healing. Just training isn't preparation, it's common sense for an athlete. If he specifically trained to counter the opponent's techniques, sure, but he doesn't do that. Enhanced Senses need to be superhuman, recognizing how to counter a technique is just intellect. If anything it'd be Info Analysis, but when Great Tiger has a literal glowing bright tell that warns you when he's going to attack I struggle to find it that impressive. Having fans and people trying to make deals with you when you're a world class athlete isn't Social Influencing, it's the default. It's fine-ish for Flamenco and Macho Man since they actually use their charisma.
Animal Manipulation is the ability to mentally control or influence animals, it's like mindhax but for animals. Being capable of speaking with one isn't that. For some reason we don't really have a power for it, I think Automatic Translation is fine-ish though. Sandman getting mad isn't empowering him either, it's just motivating him to train more. Again, that's just not a power. Prep for the other characters is also really flimsy, they're not really specifically adapting to Mac they're just... training, that's what athletes do.
I also hope you're going to add references, post scans on the wiki itself (or link to an image hosting site like imgchest rather than a different wiki) and fix up the grammar for all of these additions.
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It's still some fashion of magic trickery, you can see his gem glowing which signifies he's doing magic and he literally disappears before doing it.
It's neither, we KNOW he can make illusory clones, this is an ability he clearly showcases even during the same attack, why are we assuming this is something else when it literally has the same visual of a half-transparent body incapable of hurting Mac??
This is completely different and you know it perfectly well. Moving your fists so fast that they're a bit blurry is not the same as creating neatly visible full-body doubles that move independently.
Note that even if this was GT actually physically zooming around it still wouldn't be a valid AP feat because he never hits anything while going that fast. Or rather it's an AP feat that doesn't backscale to his usual physicals because for all we know he could just not be able to endure an impact at that speed.
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Ok, WII one will be used anyway only for the speed of his clones.
There's a difference between the teleportation and his magic punch.
As 1 he wouldn't get anything by just teleporting in front of him with a punch (No speed then no KE and then no damage) and 2 we see that there's a difference between him straight up teleporting.
Teleportation:
Magic Punch:
ok
All right.
Kinda forgot to add, but Ness Mac does have healing too.
Sandman does get stronger with rage as in his last stand, his damage and speed gets higher in these segments.
Could at lest get preparation for people like Glass Joe and Aran Rayan? They both prepare equipment to counter mac.
Well, i see that my grammatical reputation proceeds me.
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Sure
Alright
With Glass Joe it's just his doctor prescribing him a helmet, Mac gets the same if you lose 100 matches. It's fine for Ryan.
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The things I've already said are fine are fine. I don't like using the NES Great Tiger one since he's still using magic in some fashion but I guess he is moving so I'll abstain from voting.
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well, i'll close this here then.
I'll see if maybe i can add that in another crt.
Thanks for the support, i'll add the things agreed so far
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Does Little Mac upscale or downscale Super Macho Man?
Also, baseline Subsonic is 34.3 m/s, not 36.3 m/s.
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I think it's better if he upscales him, he still can fight Tyson and he doesn't Always get one tapped
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I'm at the barber rn, i'll get to it when i get home
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Alright, the profile words it as Mac being inferior to Macho Man.
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no mac upscales him due of being able to fight Tyson
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That doesn't really make sense, Mac is physically weaker than basically all his competition, he just makes up for it with skill. Beating a guy stronger than Macho Man isn't evidence against that when Tyson can literally one-tap KO him at the drop of a hat.
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Okay.
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Are the SNES exclusive characters scaled to the NES guys or what?
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That's kind of a misconception Mac can survive Jabs from him and uppercuts later in the fight
He can tank at least a hit from him (likely 2/3), and Tyson has a perfect score so he definitly upscales Macho.
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I found it to be a little weird cuz Sandman, Macho Man and Bald bull are in there, so they should all get their ness scaling on my opinion
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How is it a misconception to say Tyson can one-shot Mac when Tyson very much can one-shot Mac? I never said he could do it with all his attacks at any point of the match, that doesn't change the fact that he can drop him in a single uppercut which is a very clear showing that Mac is inferior in raw stats (speed aside). That's not even the only one-shot attack in the game, both Bald Bull and Super Macho Man himself have moves that instantly down Mac if they hit, the narrative is very obviously that Mac is a smaller, weaker guy who wins wars of attrition with skill and agility.
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Alright, then Mac should get "At most wall level".
Should i add, likely higher with attacks that one shot Mac? "At most wall level, higher with bull charge"
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I think it's fine to scale him to 9-B outright without an "at most", he can survive the actual 9-B feat just fine, he just isn't the highest in the scaling chain. "higher" with Bull Charge/Super Spin Punch is good yeah. I wouldn't do it for Tyson though, the uppercuts aren't a special technique they're just strong hits
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