Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

DarkDragonMedeus said:

I do agree the most with what Bambu and FinePoint have said, but it shouldn't be ignored of a common pattern that has been going on as of late. There has been a lot of growing concern that of there being patterns/groups of mostly community members with even a few staff members joining in. I cannot officially confirm or deny if the so called conspiracy theories are true, but there is definitely some kind of noticeable pattern that should be worth looking into. But the there are suspicions going on that their is some kind of Dragon Ball spite campaign going on. Putting a 5-C character against a 2-C character should be seen as a stomp in hindsight, but the former being a "Advanced Telekinesis specialist with crazy LS" and the latter being a "2-C character with shit tier LS." One hand, it may look fine to even the odds, but it's been informingly agreed that simply having dominant LS has a one limit that it's not assumed they can kill the stronger character or bypass durability via sheer LS. Which the voters of the former either seems to have forgotten that or are hiding a blind eye to focus on the spite. But I suppose the former is the safer interpretation. Likewise, I have seen people "Celebrate" when Dragon Ball LS strength downgrades were being inserted.

While I agree that none of this excuses GodlyCharmander's behaivor, I am going to overall remain neutral. But before anyone does it, I do not think it should be ignored on the opposite end of the spectrum. Lots of users openly are in the mentality that they never agreed with Charmander's ban being lifted, which it is fine if they have such an opinion. But there are users who openly acknowledge that GodlyCharmander and possibly other "Dragon Ball fans" are on thin ice. But it's for those reasons some people secretly hope some of them react horribly to certain arguments or take actions hard in hopes that those reactions would lead to their ban. Again, I'm not saying that there is hard evidence of the rage baiting conspiracies, but there is definitely a common pattern and potential signs of it, to the point where we shouldn't just be giving harsh one-sided punishments to GodlyCharmander or any other Dragon Ball supporters just from what was going on. And we at the very least need to consider the possibility of what goes on behind closed doors.

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I don't know if this is true (this is not me suggesting it isn't, in some sideways manner, I just genuinely do not know-- I don't interface with Dragon Ball, as you are probably well aware). What I do know is that Charmander's small issues extend beyond Dragon Ball, and so if this is true, then it is not fundamentally entwined with his situation. I do think that there is something to be said for the innate bloodthirstiness of man (here is where I could push up my glasses, if I wore them) that when we make X or Y decision to allow leniency for a disliked user, there is definitely an air of "we need to kill this individual stat" that seems to arise. I am not referring to azontr or Boastjr or anything, but it is certainly a trend for users to become a sort of pariah and report magnet, who will be reported repeatedly over insanely petty things, gradually booting them from the community either via a ban or frustration.

Despite my wishes, I do not think Charmander has received a fair shot; I think that there are people who do not like him and would like to see him gone and so will watch for anything that will help to make that so. It is like when an employee upsets a boss, and so they conjure any offense and see them dismissed: late by five minutes, called off sick, made a petty error, too bad, hit the bricks. And this is not something solely related to Charmander. I have seen this sort of spiral before.

So I believe that, but the problem is we cannot really or appropriately deal with that better than we're dealing with it now, I think. We try to be fair. We say "we will not ban someone for calling someone else an asshole just because they're on thin ice, clearly the tensions were very high already, they didn't start it and were goaded into it". My arm grows weak from extending the benefit of the doubt. I think it is basically a good policy, but there is no more to extend, in the grand scheme of things. There has to be a balance.

In this case, I think the primary agitator was Charmander himself, and though it is a really petty issue (small insults being slung around), Charmander should know that this is, really, bad behavior. If the match is illegitimate, then there are several formal avenues to pursue. We have a thread removal thread, where staff can look over it. We extend the ability for rematches after some time, to relitigate the matchup. If Dragon Ball has some conspiracy going on, all we need is a baseline of proof, and the staff can at least look into it. If rules are violated or something is itself deeply suspicious, we can do the same. There are formal avenues beyond the behavior displayed. I think that is the important part to consider.

Just want to clarify on this specific part, as it seems to mention everyone who voted for Tatsumaki

DarkDragonMedeus said:

it's been informingly agreed that simply having dominant LS has a one limit that it's not assumed they can kill the stronger character or bypass durability via sheer LS. Which the voters of the former either seems to have forgotten that or are hiding a blind eye to focus on the spite

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It has been agreed that LS can allow to restrain, choke or in this case be used to BFR the superior opponent (which is the main wincon being argued), nobody said that Tatsumaki can directly damage Broly in any way or had voted because of that