Review of Instant Death Part 2

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 19:41

Hecky2222 said:
Did you read what i sent you?

Abyss is another dimension from not CE. We only know CE has significant size worlds and Abyss encompasses some part of CE. There is literally no confirmation of size of Abyss. Which is why OP made intersection argument.

To put it simply: Think = Celestial Foundations = Worlds that are significant with clear size mentions
Abyss is outside that contains some parts. That's all, idk how we can interpretate it being CE universe size with little information.

The Abyss is also a world among all the worlds, and this was not addressed in previous threads. Therefore, the Abyss is universe-sized because worlds are universes within the Sea.

The Abyss does include parts of the CE worlds, correct, but we now know that it is also a world, as shown here, and this is the new point we are discussing.

was, in a literal sense, a world in a different dimension the Astral Plane, the Spirit World, or the Abyss. It we y number of names, but to put it into simple terms, it -Id where length, width, and height were supplemented an additional fourth dimension.

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 19:47

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Yes.

But it's called a world. Why would the meaning of the word world change whether it's outside or inside the CE? If world means universe, then we default to universal size, no?

What is your opinion regarding the Sea? I mean, with the proof of it having a temporal dimension, making it six-dimensional.

ActuallySpaceMan42 · Thursday at 19:49

Azertyhuuh said:
What is your opinion regarding the Sea? I mean, with the proof of it having a temporal dimension, making it six-dimensional.

I'm not good with temporal dimension stuff, so I can't comment.

Hecky2222 · Thursday at 19:54

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Yes.

But it's called a world. Why would the meaning of the word world change whether it's outside or inside the CE? If world means universe, then we default to universal size, no?

Scan doesn't tell you world == universe, it tells you Celestial Foundations are Universes. Which is pretty much different. And no confirmation about Abyss being or encompassing that exact "universe of CE" so good luck with interpretation of "worlds == universes" thing.

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 19:55

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Yes.

But it's called a world. Why would the meaning of the word world change whether it's outside or inside the CE? If world means universe, then we default to universal size, no?

Cuz are solar system sizes worlds in instant death.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Instant_Death_Cosmology_Page#Celestial_Foundations

I think this should answer your question. If what it overarches is not significant in size, why should it be significant in size either?

ActuallySpaceMan42 · Thursday at 19:56

Astral_Trinity439 said:
There are solar system sizes worlds in instant death.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Instant_Death_Cosmology_Page#Celestial_Foundations

Hecky2222 said:
Scan doesn't tell you world == universe, it tells you Celestial Foundations are Universes. Which is pretty much different. And no confirmation about Abyss being or encompassing that exact "universe of CE" so good luck with interpretation of "worlds == universes" thing.

Okay, I see.

Then never mind, I disagree, unless OP has proof that every world is universal.

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 19:57

Azertyhuuh said:
Agree: Reiner04 (The Abyss: Low 1-C)

By the way, I confirmed with a human resources member (specifically @SomebodyData ) and they confirms that we don't count vote from staff that have retired, even if that happened while this CRT was still open, so you should remove Reiner's vote.

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An yeah update the vote tally since spaceman disagreed, so other staff don't misunderstand

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 19:58

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
I'm not good with temporal dimension stuff, so I can't comment.

Alright, can you mention @Elizhaa, @Vietthai96 and @DarkDragonMedeus

ActuallySpaceMan42 · Thursday at 19:59

@Elizhaa @Vietthai96 @DarkDragonMedeus

KaramcaS · Thursday at 20:02

I haven't yet seen Yogiri remain in a stable any Tier

Dark_Soul20189 · Thursday at 20:02

Azertyhuuh said:
Alright, can you mention @Elizhaa, @Vietthai96 and @DarkDragonMedeus

Add @ActuallySpaceMan42 too the disagreement section, and remove Reiner from it entirely.

Nonynho · Thursday at 20:04

Azertyhuuh said:
The Sea: 1-C (6D)

Can i ask who will scale to this? I may intend to cook matches with it

Hecky2222 · Thursday at 20:06

Nonynho said:
Can i ask who will scale to this? I may intend to cook matches with it

Yogiri by being +1D above it if it gets pass

Nonynho · Thursday at 20:07

Hecky2222 said:
Yogiri by being +1D above it if it gets pass

nice

we may see matches involving it soon enough

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 20:10

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Cuz are solar system sizes worlds in instant death.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Instant_Death_Cosmology_Page#Celestial_Foundations

I think this should answer your question. If what it overarches is not significant in size, why should it be significtsize in size either?

This has already been discussed in a previous thread and accepted as universe-sized, so you are now reopening an issue that has already been addressed.

The Demon King novel was removed, and it was thereby accepted that worlds are universes, and it has been reclassified again.

Currently, the world is classified as Low 2-C.
If you disagree with that, you can open another thread instead of derailing this one

Celestial Foundation: Low 2-C

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 20:12

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Okay, I see.

Then never mind, I disagree, unless OP has proof that every world is universal.

No, that term is incorrect, and this was already discussed in a previous thread. Worlds are universes, and they were reclassified as Low 2-C, while the whole group is 2-B, as is clearly stated in the cosmology.

What is being referred to was simply an error related to the Demon King novel, which was removed in the previous thread because it contained false and incorrect information. This led to the worlds returning to their original scale in the Instant Death novel, except for one world, which is Yogiri’s world only; the rest of the worlds are universes.

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 20:18

Astral_Trinity439 said:
By the way, I confirmed with a human resources member (specifically @SomebodyData ) and they confirms that we don't count vote from staff that have retired, even if that happened while this CRT was still open, so you should remove Reiner's vote.

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An yeah update the vote tally since spaceman disagreed, so other staff don't misunderstand

Regarding Reiner, I will go to one of the staff members to ask about this matter myself. As for Spaceman, he objected because you already provided incorrect information, so I will wait for his response now.

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 20:20

Azertyhuuh said:
This has already been discussed in a previous thread and accepted as universe-sized, so you are now reopening an issue that has already been addressed.

The Demon King novel was removed, and it was thereby accepted that worlds are universes, and it has been reclassified again.

Currently, the world is classified as Low 2-C.
If you disagree with that, you can open another thread instead of derailing this one

Celestial Foundation: Low 2-C

Ah, that's my bad for not noticing..
Could you link the thread where it was accepted? I couldn't find it linked anywhere while checking the page's edit history.

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Cuz are solar system sizes worlds in instant death.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Instant_Death_Cosmology_Page#Celestial_Foundations

I think this should answer your question. If what it overarches is not significant in size, why should it be significtsize in size either?

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
Okay, I see.

Then never mind, I disagree, unless OP has proof that every world is universal.

I hadn't noticed before that the page was updated and the info I referred to was removed, that's my bad.
I went ahead and found the scans separately. So:

Some CFs are solar system in size and outerspace doesn't exist.
The CFs have different sizes.

I haven't seen the thread where CFs were updated to L2-C, so idk if the rating applies to all foundations or just some, but this is my current stance; they are different in size. So unless there's some specific context, assuming the abyss is significant in size is a stretch.

Ultimuru · Thursday at 20:21

~~You again! Curse you Tensura fans!~~

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Ah, that's my bad for larping.

Hecky2222 · Thursday at 20:21

Azertyhuuh said:
No, that term is incorrect, and this was already discussed in a previous thread. Worlds are universes, and they were reclassified as Low 2-C, while the whole group is 2-B, as is clearly stated in the cosmology.

What is being referred to was simply an error related to the Demon King novel, which was removed in the previous thread because it contained false and incorrect information. This led to the worlds returning to their original scale in the Instant Death novel, except for one world, which is Yogiri’s world only; the rest of the worlds are universes.

The Celestial Foundations are called "universes a few times, and they have their own flow of time.)

Thanks GOAT by linking cosmology you automatically proved my point.

(Bro really thinks he can sneak Dragon Ball level terminology)

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 20:24

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Ah, that's my bad for not noticing..
Could you link the thread where it was accepted? I couldn't find it linked anywhere while checking the page's edit history.

I hadn't noticed before that the page was updated and the info I referred to was removed, that's my bad.
I went ahead and found the scans separately. So:

Some CFs are solar system in size and outerspace doesn't exist.

The CFs have different sizes.

I haven't seen the thread where CFs were updated to L2-C, so idk if the rating applies to all foundations or just some, but this is my current stance; they are different in size. So unless there's some specific context, assuming the abyss is significant in size is a stretch.

All Celestial Foundations are currently considered Low 2-C for each world because they are universes.

All Celestial Foundations together: 2-B.

The Abyss is also a world, and worlds are universes, so yes, it meets the required size.

You can of course verify this on the cosmology page.

This is the link to the thread.

Oblivion_Of_The_Endless · Thursday at 20:29

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Some CFs are solar system in size and outerspace doesn't exist.

It was accepted in this thread by multiple staff members that TDKIU cannot be used anymore due to the author scraping away the whole story. Consequently, this means that CFs are just normal universes now from ID statements. Thats why it was also concluded in that same thread that CFs would be Low 2-C from now on.

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 20:32

Azertyhuuh said:
All Celestial Foundations are currently considered Low 2-C because they are universes, except for Yogiri’s world.

All other Celestial Foundations: 2-B.

The Abyss is also a world, and worlds are universes, so yes, it meets the required size.

You can of course verify this on the cosmology page.

This is the link to the thread.

Uhhhh, I will say beforehand that I'm only reading the OP, I don't have the stamina to go through 16 pages of repeated arguments. But based on the OP alone, I assume the 2-B and L2-C was restored cuz the author's other work (Demon King) was cancelled?

If so, fair argument. But this scan still stands since it's from Instant death, and as it states, there are worlds with no "space" outside the solar system to travel via spaceships so...
I will just leave this scan here for Spaceman to see and judge. I'll switch devices and scroll through the ID novel and be right back in a few minutes to see what was the context of this scan. So I may or may not change my vote to agreeing as well depending on what I find.

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
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Oblivion_Of_The_Endless said:
It was accepted in this thread by multiple staff members that TDIUK cannot be used anymore due to the author scraping away the whole story. Consequently, this means that CFs are just normal universes now from ID statements. Thats why it was also concluded in that same thread that CFs would be Low 2-C from now on.

Ah, so my guess was right. Thanks for clarifying.

BoastJr · Thursday at 20:34

When will you use False R > F

Or will you use True R > F ?

Azertyhuuh said:
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Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 20:41

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
@Elizhaa @Vietthai96 @DarkDragonMedeus

Have you changed your mind now or not?

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 20:42

Okay so I checked the context, and I would say I still disagree.
Here's the context and the raws in the description:

https://imgchest.com/p/6eyrb5n5g7p
Not only is this world referring to yogiri's own world (which is what the abyss overarches), the RAWs are even more clear.
is scan. So I may or may not change my vote to agreeing as well depending on what I find. I'll also request them to be translated.

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
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Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 20:45

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Uhhhh, I will say beforehand that I'm only reading the OP, I don't have the stamina to go through 16 pages of repeated arguments. But based on the OP alone, I assume the 2-B and L2-C was restored cuz the author's other work (Demon King) was cancelled?

If so, fair argument. But this scan still stands since it's from Instant death, and as it states, there are worlds with no "space" outside the solar system to travel via spaceships so...
I will just leave this scan here for Spaceman to see and judge. I'll switch devices and scroll through the ID novel and be right back in a few minutes to see what was the context of this scan. So I may or may not change my vote to agreeing as well depending on what I find.

Space ≠ universe, so this changes nothing.

What matters is that worlds are universes, and the absence of “space” in a given world does not negate its status as a universe, because worlds have different laws within the Sea, and I do not want to go into details here.

sukuna171 · Thursday at 20:52

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Okay so I checked the context, and I would say I still disagree.
Here's the context and the raws in the description:

https://imgchest.com/p/6eyrb5n5g7p
Not only is this world referring to yogiri's own world (which is what the abyss overarches), the RAWs are even more clear.
is scan. So I may or may not change my vote to agreeing as well depending on what I find. I'll also request them to be translated.

I'm not the best at tier one and two stuff, but here are a few items.

Worlds existed within Celestial Foundations, and these Foundations
existed within the “sea.” The sea was enormous, containing countless such
Foundations, but it was not hard to imagine the existence of worlds outside
of it.

“Your strength stems from connecting to yourself in numerous parallel worlds, does it not? That makes your power next to infinite. Even if you died
here, that would be like no more than losing a single hair. I was able to
understand that much, so I killed you in all of those parallel worlds as well.”
“No way. How is that even possible?”
“It is something you are capable of, so how hard is it to believe there are
others with the ability to operate across dimensions? For a god, such strength
is expected. Conflict between gods necessitates the ability to search for your
opponent’s backups and erase them all at once.”

“This isn’t your Random Walk. That just sends your soul to a parallel world
with different possibilities. What happened this time is a much bigger deal. It
was like the whole world was rewound or something.”

It was only speculation based on what Jolt had heard and witnessed so far,
but Darian’s ability to go back in time only activated after his death, so it
served as a final desperate gambit. It was something like sending his soul
back in time, so whatever changes he made back then wouldn’t affect the
present, as if he were branching off into an entirely different timeline. Darian
himself would be able to do things over, but that wouldn’t help the rest of
them now.

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 20:52

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Okay so I checked the context, and I would say I still disagree.
Here's the context and the raws in the description:

https://imgchest.com/p/6eyrb5n5g7p
Not only is this world referring to yogiri's own world (which is what the abyss overarches), the RAWs are even more clear.
is scan. So I may or may not change my vote to agreeing as well depending on what I find. I'll also request them to be translated.

Yogiri’s world is the only world that does not meet the required size, and this was already discussed previously. This has nothing to do at all with what you are currently discussing regarding the Abyss.
I don’t understand what Yogiri’s world has to do with the Abyss right now?

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 21:10

ActuallySpaceMan42 said:
@Elizhaa @Vietthai96 @DarkDragonMedeus

Can you clarify your opinion now after knowing that worlds are universes?

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 21:12

These are the scans used in the cosmology page to show CFs are bigger than or at least comparable to infinite sized things.
But here's the problem; I checked the raws of both:

「ここはどこだ？」

重人はオメガブレイドに賢者アリスの所へと転移するように命じたが、すぐそばにそのアリスとやらがいる気配はない。そこは長く、薄暗い廊下だった。低い天井にはランプが並んでいて、ぼんやりとあたりを照らしている。廊下の左右には、無数の扉が並んでいた。先のほうは暗くなっていてはっきりしないが、この調子ならどこまでも扉が並んでいるのだろう。

「アリスのいる場所ですね」

アリスは即座に逃げることを選んだ。アナザーキングダムが無敵であるという前提が怪しくなっているのだ。当然、この能力に固執し続けるわけにはいかなくなる。その点で、アリスは物事を割り切って考えることができた。アリスは、アナザーキングダムの入り口である無限廊下へと転移した。扉が無数に並び、どこまでも続いている廊下だ。訪問者が一時的に通るエントランスであり、ここから先へはどの扉を通ってもアナザーキングダムへ辿り着くようになっている。

Soooo

The "infinite number of doors" is a mistranslation of countless.
The "infinite hallway" is actually a name/title, which I don't think is valid as "main proof" when the actual context is just about countless.
The "strecthed on forever" is an extremely common metaphor for something visually endless.

I will of course get these scans translated right away as well. But for now based on what I got from dictionary, I hard disagree with it cuz there's proof the CF they are in, the one abyss is overarching, is like solar system or smaller in size, and the infinite size stuff is a mistranslation...

sukuna171 said:
I'm not the best at tier one and two stuff, but here are a few items.

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying all CFs are solar, I think only some are, really, specifically the one Yogiri is in right now.
Also, even if they aren't, the "world" in context to what the Abyss encompasses literally has no space whatsoever to the point where interstellar fleets are said to be from another world. Therefore I still think abyss shouldn't be significant in size based on that.

Azertyhuuh said:
Space ≠ universe, so this changes nothing.

What matters is that worlds are universes, and the absence of “space” in a given world does not negate its status as a universe, because worlds have different laws within the Sea, and I do not want to go into details here.

??
No?

If there's no outerspace in the universe (as in it literally does not exist), how is a world still universal in size? Based on what? Being called a universe? Semantics isn't really the way to go when there's literally a statement of the yogiri's world (which the abyss encompasses) being solar system or less in size.

Azertyhuuh said:
Yogiri’s world is the only world that does not meet the required size, and this was already discussed previously. This has nothing to do at all with what you are currently discussing regarding the Abyss.
I don’t understand what Yogiri’s world has to do with the Abyss right now?

Because based on what's currently shown, the abyss is only shown to encompass yogiri's world, not a universe or something. The absene of evidence against that notion is not itself evidence to support its existence. The burden of proof is on you to prove the abyss encompasses at least something universal in size.

And let's assume you do that, even then it wouldn't be significant in size. I mean, that's literally what a 2C space is... 2C, 2-B or 2A spaces contain universes, yes, but does doing that make them significant? NO. We have the distinction between tier 2 and Low 1-C for a reason.

Once the scans are translated, I'll make a summary.

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 21:36

Astral_Trinity439 said:
These are the scans used in the cosmology page to show CFs are bigger than or at least comparable to infinite sized things.
But here's the problem; I checked the raws of both:

Soooo

The "infinite number of doors" is a mistranslation of countless.

The "infinite hallway" is actually a name/title, which I don't think is valid as "main proof" when the actual context is just about countless.

The "strecthed on forever" is an extremely common metaphor for something visually endless.

I will of course get these scans translated right away as well. But for now based on what I got from dictionary, I hard disagree with it cuz there's proof the CF they are in, the one abyss is overarching, is like solar system or smaller in size, and the infinite size stuff is a mistranslation...

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying all CFs are solar, I think only some are, really, specifically the one Yogiri is in right now.
Also, even if they aren't, the "world" in context to what the Abyss encompasses literally has no space whatsoever to the point where interstellar fleets are said to be from another world. Therefore I still think abyss shouldn't be significant in size based on that.

??
No?

If there's no outerspace in the universe (as in it literally does not exist), how is a world still universal in size? Based on what? Being called a universe? Semantics isn't really the way to go when there's literally a statement of the yogiri's world (which the abyss encompasses) being solar system or less in size.

Because based on what's currently shown, the abyss is only shown to encompass yogiri's world, not a universe or something. The absene of evidence against that notion is not itself evidence to support its existence. The burden of proof is on you to prove the abyss encompasses at least something universal in size.

And let's assume you do that, even then it wouldn't be significant in size. I mean, that's literally what a 2C space is... 2C, 2-B or 2A spaces contain universes, yes, but does doing that make them significant? NO. We have the distinction between tier 2 and Low 1-C for a reason.

Once the scans are translated, I'll make a summary.

Metaphors, nonsense, attempts to derail, mistranslations, and unsupported ideas. Seriously, stop bringing up metaphors and these kinds of arguments whenever the text is against your position.

The argument currently being discussed is different. I am not saying that the Abyss is universe-sized because it encompasses Yogiri’s world or anything like that.

Yogiri’s world does not matter here at all and is completely unrelated to this discussion.

The Abyss is a world like the other worlds, as the text directly proves in front of you, and worlds are universes, as everyone here already explained to you and as is clearly shown on the cosmology page.

Do you think I am trying to make it universe-sized because it encompasses part of Yogiri’s world?? No, no, no, absolutely not. Yogiri’s world has nothing to do with this here.

The matter is simple: worlds are universes, as everyone here already told you, and the Abyss is also a world, therefore it is universe-sized because worlds are universes. For the millionth time, Yogiri’s world is unrelated here.

If you do not want to accept what was already approved previously and what is already present on the cosmology page, then that is your own issue. You can open another thread for that instead of derailing this one.

was, in a literal sense, a world in a different dimension the Astral Plane, the Spirit World, or the Abyss. It we y number of names, but to put it into simple terms, it -Id where length, width, and height were supplemented an additional fourth dimension.

sukuna171 · Thursday at 21:37

Astral_Trinity439 said:
These are the scans used in the cosmology page to show CFs are bigger than or at least comparable to infinite sized things.
But here's the problem; I checked the raws of both:

Soooo

The "infinite number of doors" is a mistranslation of countless.

The "infinite hallway" is actually a name/title, which I don't think is valid as "main proof" when the actual context is just about countless.

The "strecthed on forever" is an extremely common metaphor for something visually endless.

I will of course get these scans translated right away as well. But for now based on what I got from dictionary, I hard disagree with it cuz there's proof the CF they are in, the one abyss is overarching, is like solar system or smaller in size, and the infinite size stuff is a mistranslation...

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying all CFs are solar, I think only some are, really, specifically the one Yogiri is in right now.
Also, even if they aren't, the "world" in context to what the Abyss encompasses literally has no space whatsoever to the point where interstellar fleets are said to be from another world. Therefore I still think abyss shouldn't be significant in size based on that.

??
No?

If there's no outerspace in the universe (as in it literally does not exist), how is a world still universal in size? Based on what? Being called a universe? Semantics isn't really the way to go when there's literally a statement of the yogiri's world (which the abyss encompasses) being solar system or less in size.

Because based on what's currently shown, the abyss is only shown to encompass yogiri's world, not a universe or something. The absene of evidence against that notion is not itself evidence to support its existence. The burden of proof is on you to prove the abyss encompasses at least something universal in size.

And let's assume you do that, even then it wouldn't be significant in size. I mean, that's literally what a 2C space is... 2C, 2-B or 2A spaces contain universes, yes, but does doing that make them significant? NO. We have the distinction between tier 2 and Low 1-C for a reason.

Once the scans are translated, I'll make a summary.

Random Walk allows Lynel to explore different worlds within the CF, and when Darian dies, he travels to other timelines in the CF as well.

“This isn’t your Random Walk. That just sends your soul to a parallel world
with different possibilities. What happened this time is a much bigger deal. It
was like the whole world was rewound or something.”

Worlds existed within Celestial Foundations, and these Foundations
existed within the “sea.” The sea was enormous, containing countless such
Foundations, but it was not hard to imagine the existence of worlds outside
of it.

It was only speculation based on what Jolt had heard and witnessed so far,
but Darian’s ability to go back in time only activated after his death, so it
served as a final desperate gambit. It was something like sending his soul
back in time, so whatever changes he made back then wouldn’t affect the
present, as if he were branching off into an entirely different timeline. Darian
himself would be able to do things over, but that wouldn’t help the rest of
them now.

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 21:48

sukuna171 said:
Random Walk allows Lynel to explore different worlds within the CF, and when Darian dies, he travels to other timelines in the CF as well.

Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "worlds exist in the foundations" just referring to the CFs being the canopy itself while the worlds are its inner contents? That doesn't exactly prove that CFs have multiple "worlds" in them. Though I could be wrong again, feel free to correct me :d

Azertyhuuh said:
Metaphors, nonsense, attempts to derail, mistranslations, and unsupported ideas. Seriously, stop bringing up metaphors and these kinds of arguments whenever the text is against your position.

Why should I not point out a mistranslation??
Something being a metaphor is a proper argument, just telling me to stop using such arguments isn't refuting it lol

Azertyhuuh said:
The argument currently being discussed is different. I am not saying that the Abyss is universe-sized because it encompasses Yogiri’s world or anything like that.

Yogiri’s world does not matter here at all and is completely unrelated to this discussion.

The Abyss is a world like the other worlds, as the text directly proves in front of you, and worlds are universes, as everyone here already explained to you and as is clearly shown on the cosmology page.

Do you think I am trying to make it universe-sized because it encompasses part of Yogiri’s world?? No, no, no, absolutely not. Yogiri’s world has nothing to do with this here.

I just picked up from what Hecky and Spaceman were talking about, to be fair.

Azertyhuuh said:
The matter is simple: worlds are universes, as everyone here already told you, and the Abyss is also a world, therefore it is universe-sized because worlds are universes. For the millionth time, Yogiri’s world is unrelated here.

Incoherent logic here. We KNOW abyss overarches yogiri's world, so why is yogiri's world "unrelated"??

Being called a universe is enough to qualify as such in the absence of anti-feats. If there are indeed anti-feats then that's an entirely different thing. I'm against your idea that, quoting you, "therefore it is universe-sized because worlds are universes", because they are shown to not be that size, at least not always, and at least not in context to the abyss either.

Azertyhuuh said:
If you do not want to accept what was already approved previously and what is already present on the cosmology page, then that is your own issue. You can open another thread for that instead of derailing this one.

The previous thread establishes CFs are L2-C, sure, but does that mean I can't attach a scan about small sized CFs or worlds when answering a staff? No.
Also I'm sure you know of threads that were meant to be upgrades but got turned into downgrades, right? This one can or cannot be as well, that depends entirely on what people reviewing the thread find.

It would be one thing if the spaceship argument was addressed in the previous crt as well, but no, I did not find anything related to that in the OP of that thread. Thus why there's no rule saying I can't bring it up here since it is related, it still impacts this thread on if it gets accepted or rejected.

sukuna171 · Thursday at 22:05

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't "worlds exist in the foundations" just referring to the CFs being the canopy itself while the worlds are its inner contents? That doesn't exactly prove that CFs have multiple "worlds" in them. Though I could be wrong again, feel free to correct me :d

Will this work?

“Whatever you like. You’ve been given this power, so why don’t you use it to enjoy your life in this world?”“You mean Random Walk? The situation is totally different each time, so any knowledge I gain is basically useless. Like this time, the people I’m with are completely different from before.”

The next thing Lynel knew, he was standing among ruins—not some run‑down wooden shack, but a decrepit stone building overflowing with history. For a moment, he was confused, but he recovered surprisingly quickly. Lynel had experienced a similar thing countless times before through his Random Walk ability. He was used to randomly appearing in new places

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 22:14

sukuna171 said:
Will this work?

Umm, did you maybe forget to add some other scans? I mean, the only mention of worlds in your scan is "this world" and that's only once, and it doesn't talk about CFs...

sukuna171 · Thursday at 22:19

I posted that too early; I’m actually looking for a specific scan. My bad.

Azertyhuuh · Thursday at 22:20

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Why should I not point out a mistranslation??
Something being a metaphor is a proper argument, just telling me to stop using such arguments isn't refuting it lol

I just picked up from what Hecky and Spaceman were talking about, to be fair.

Incoherent logic here. We KNOW abyss overarches yogiri's world, so why is yogiri's world "unrelated"??

Being called a universe is enough to qualify as such in the absence of anti-feats. If there are indeed anti-feats then that's an entirely different thing. I'm against your idea that, quoting you, "therefore it is universe-sized because worlds are universes", because they are shown to not be that size, at least not always, and at least not in context to the abyss either.

The previous thread establishes CFs are L2-C, sure, but does that mean I can't attach a scan about small sized CFs or worlds when answering a staff? No.
Also I'm sure you know of threads that were meant to be upgrades but got turned into downgrades, right? This one can or cannot be as well, that depends entirely on what people reviewing the thread find.

It would be one thing if the spaceship argument was addressed in the previous crt as well, but no, I did not find anything related to that in the OP of that thread. Thus why there's no rule saying I can't bring it up here since it is related, it still impacts this thread on if it gets accepted or rejected.

The cosmology page and the staff already explained to you that worlds are universes, therefore yes, the Abyss is also a world, so it is universe-sized.

There are no contradictions. Man, the Abyss does not encompass Yogiri’s world. Where did you even get that from? Who told you that in the first place? I think you are misunderstanding things, so I need to clarify the matter for you now.

To explain a bit, The Abyss is defined as a world that on top of already having 3 basic spatial dimensions (length, width, and height), It also has an additional fourth spatial dimension. Anyway, it is stated that by using the alternate dimension, he, The King can appear anywhere and attack from anywhere. He can bypass any defense with no one able to do anything plus ordinary people can't perceive the dimension. This statement at first glance seems to only imply a general form of notion of its superiority.

However, there is one interesting statement made by King before the explanation regarding the The Abyss, it was said by the King himself that he can only appear where the two dimensions (3D and 4D) overlap. This here also mention once again about the overlapping between the two dimension.

I think this shows you where your misunderstanding lies. The fourth dimension of the Abyss intersects with three-dimensional spaces, and that is all. It is not that the Abyss encompasses Yogiri’s world or anything like that.

This is JustANormalPerson01’s reply to you in the previous thread, where everything was specifically explained to you. What is happening is not that the Abyss encompasses Yogiri’s world as you think — that statement does not even exist in the first place. The only thing happening is that the Abyss’s fourth dimension overlaps with three-dimensional spaces:

I may understand disagreement with Higher Universes. But saying that the Abyss isn't higher dimensional despite the most blatant scan of a higher dimensional space? C'mon

It was, in a literal sense, a world in a different dimension. Call it the Astral Plane, the Spirit World, or the Abyss. It went by any number of names, but to put it into simple terms, it was a world where length, width, and height were supplemented with an additional fourth dimension.

This is the most straightforward statement of the Abyss having 4 "degrees of freedom"/ways of movement that can be given. It literally mentions that our 3 perpendicular dimensional axes ("length, width and height") are supplemented with an additional, fourth dimension (i.e., another dimensional axe. Another degree of freedom where you can move).

Not only that, but there are also statements that support it behaving like an additional axis, like this one:

“This is why they call themselves kings. They can travel through alternate dimensions to appear anywhere and kill their enemies by doing things like grabbing their hearts directly. They can also avoid any kind of attack in the same way. As such, no one can stand against them. Thus, kings.”

This is a common topic when talking about higher dimensions. Like, "a higher dimensional being can see the inside what's inside of an egg the same way you can see what's inside a 2D square". Basically, "what looks closed to us, looks like that because it is closed in 3 dimensions. But given we cannot perceive 3 dimensions, we cannot close it there, so a 4th dimensional being will be able to see/interact with what's inside the same way we can see/interact with what's inside a square (something that's 'completely closed' from a 2-D perspective)".

Also, this one? This one makes it even more straightforward if possible, directly stating that 3 dimensional beings cannot perceive the 4th dimension, or that the dimension is a three-dimensional space compared to the Abyss (which is that space + an additional fourth dimension).

But then their eyes met. The boy was looking at him. That was impossible. There was no way he could see this dimension. No matter where he looked, from within three-dimensional space, it was impossible to see someone in the Abyss. And yet he could tell that the boy was watching him.

It being called "another dimension" isn't an anti-feat, anyway. Such as how 4D and 5D can be used to represent anyway, so can the term "another dimension". In this case, it is used to refer to the realm that is Abyss, "another dimension" in the sense that it is outside what the 3-dimensional World encompasses. I'm just going by the scans sent here. But they all seem to imply that Abyss is, indeed, a 4-D realm, not a "an alternate dimension above 3D that sometimes overlap with it".

And, why the hell wouldn't a 4-Dimensional space be able to overlap with a 3-Dimensional one? That's the most common thing that happens when talking with higher-dimensional spaces.

You don't need to go to a verse nor to a way too complex Maths class to see that. Just go to Desmos 3D graphic and put the function z=0. There you have a 3-Dimensional space (R³) overlapping with a 2-Dimensional one (the plane z=0).

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 22:26

Azertyhuuh said:
The cosmology page and the staff already explained to you that worlds are universes, therefore yes, the Abyss is also a world, so it is universe-sized.

The cosmology page can be overruled in the presence of contrary evidence that is not addressed in the cosmology page or the previous upgrade thread.

Reading the rest of your response, Yeah none of this addresses my argument. I'm not saying Abyss isn't 4D Space. I never said that...
I said it isn't significant in size. Big difference

sukuna171 said:
I posted that too early; I’m actually looking for a specific scan. My bad.

NP. Take your time. It's sleep time so I gtg too ;d
I'll come back here tomorrow if you add something, though I don't think azerty will add anything relevant given what we've debated so far...

It's nearly 3AM lol
GN

Astral_Trinity439 · Thursday at 22:34

Azertyhuuh said:
The Sea is currently classified as Low 1-C due to containing a five-dimensional structure within it, and it is infinite.

Also, before I go to sleep, I should probably note that this is wrong and can cause a misunderstading. Currently, this is what it says:

The Sea
Containing the above is the Sea, which is the infinite space that houses the countless Celestial Foundations. It is also described as almost entirely empty.

It is possible to travel between Celestial Foundations through the Sea to reach a lower-ranked world, a same-ranked world, or a higher-ranked one. However, it is more difficult to do so with a higher-ranked one. The main reason for this is the energy needed to do such a feat.

Since the Sea had depth, people within it would naturally sink downward. Furthermore, currents exist within it that may help people navigate or reach a world.

The Celestial Axis is a conceptual corridor within the Sea, a tube-shaped object that passes through Celestial Foundations to connect them.

It doesn't say it's Low 1-C due to containing a 5D structure. It instead writes it as the infinite space between 4D space-times/universes (which is indeed 5D and Low 1-C), but unless the cosmology page is saying it wrong, that is not the accepted reasoning on page.

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