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Admittedly this is my first time attempting one of these hypertime threads so, let's see how it goes.
Currently, it's accepted that the Wellspring in Kung Fu Panda possibly upscales the Shuyong Tree, which acts as the creator of time, due to chi being the life source of all living things (as well as the source of their strength, based on Kai's existence) (and also upscales the universal Eternal Chord). This is currently treated as Low 2-C, but today I'm here to argue that the Shuyong is actually a 5-D entity.
To establish context, early in the episode "A Stitch in Time", Master Shifu explains that all Shuyong seeds, which are "little bits of time", originate from Shuyong fruit, which all come from the Shuyong Tree. The seeds, when thrown on the ground, rewind time. When planted, the seeds bear fruit, which allow the consumer of the fruit to control time, traveling through the timestream, and even undo the planet's creation via time travel. Po found a bag of the seeds under the Jade Palace floor.
Events happen, and Fenghuang manages to eat a Shuyong fruit, gaining total control over time, and uses this power to time paradox the Furious Five and Shifu out of existence.
In the tail end of the episode, Po accidentally drops his entire bag of seeds, and sends himself and Fenghuang to before the beginning of time. Fenghuang, who previously could control time with ease, at this point fails to use time manipulation, because the duo were before the beginning of time. This confirms that at this point, the two had exited beyond the reach of a standard timeline.
It is here where they meet the Shuyong Tree, who questions the two about their motivations. Whoever gives the worthy response is spared, and whoever doesn't is consigned to oblivion. The latter ends up being Fenghuang, who is cast in the mists below the tree, into oblivion.
Po, meanwhile, questions the tree on why its seeds were at the Jade Palace, and the tree gives a vague response of its seeds being "everywhere", before enacting what it refers to as "the mother of all do-overs", using time manipulation to reset reality back to how it was when the episode began, with Shifu and the Five alive, and the seeds in their original placement under the floor of the palace.
To summarize:
-Fenghuang gained the power to travel through the timeline from the Shuyong Fruit
-Fenghuang became unable to travel through time when transported to "Before the Beginning of Time", meaning that standard time manipulation fails because they're outside the range of a normal timeline
-The Shuyong Tree, as the progenitor of time, IS able to use time manipulation at Before the Beginning of Time, meaning that a higher order time axis exists that the Shuyong Fruits cannot access.
-The Tree is able to use time manipulation to recreate the Furious Five, Shifu, and the conditions from the start of the episode, and is aware of them, meaning the Tree has knowledge of the events of temporally erased beings and can recreate them via time manipulation.
As such, due to the existence of a higher level of time enabling the recreation of temporally erased events via time manipulation, I propose that the Shuyong Tree, and those that scale to it (Peak Po and Jindiao), get updated to possibly Low 1-C via the existence of a hypertimeline. Since a lot of this is predicated on the Shuyong Tree, I'm also proposing a profile for it, with several hax additions.
-Possible Higher-Dimensional Existence (5-D): The Shuyong Tree acts as an independent time axis, being the creator and embodiment of time and enabling time manipulation in an era where lower-level time does not exist.
-Acausality (Type 1) and possible Temporal Omniscience: Po and Fenghuang already have this for remembering time paradoxes, but the Shuyong Tree is also aware of erased events, even when they are in the far future, and is able to perfectly recreate said erased events, implying that it is aware of events occurring in all points in time.
-Possible Existence Erasure: The Shuyong Tree consigns Fenghuang to oblivion.
-Immortality (Type 1 and 8): The Shuyong will exist for the entire duration of time, and as long as its seeds exist a new tree can be planted anywhere.
-Time Manipulation (and possible resistance): Rewound time to reset reality to how it was before the episode began, and stopped Fenghuang's attack. Also naturally exists before the beginning of time with no negative effects, with time manipulation not working due to there being no time to manipulate.
-Power Bestowal: Its seeds grant the power to rewind time, and its fruit allows users to travel through time at will, as well as appear in multiple locations via time echos.
-Resistance to Void Manipulation: Same reason as Po, the Shuyong is a natural denizen of the realm before time.
Other additions are discussed in the sandbox.
Po and Jindiao already have possibly time manipulation attached to their profile by virtue of absorbing the origin of chi, so they would also get a "possibly" on any physiology based abilities of the Shuyong as well. These include:
-Resistance to Void Manipulation
-Resistance to Time Manipulation
-Type 1 Acausality (just for Jindiao)
-possible 5-D existence for the Wellspring's chi
In Summary:
-Po and Jindiao (post Wellspring absorption) become possibly Low 1-C instead of possibly Low 2-C
-New Shuyong Tree Profile
-New abilities and resistances added to Po and Jindiao post-Wellspring absorption
Interested in how this ends up.
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
Currently, it's accepted that the Wellspring in Kung Fu Panda possibly upscales the Shuyong Tree, which acts as the creator of time, due to chi being the life source of all living things (as well as the source of their strength, based on Kai's existence) (and also upscales the universal Eternal Chord). This is currently treated as Low 2-C, but today I'm here to argue that the Shuyong is actually a 5-D entity.
To establish context, early in the episode "A Stitch in Time", Master Shifu explains that all Shuyong seeds, which are "little bits of time", originate from Shuyong fruit, which all come from the Shuyong Tree. The seeds, when thrown on the ground, rewind time. When planted, the seeds bear fruit, which allow the consumer of the fruit to control time, traveling through the timestream, and even undo the planet's creation via time travel. Po found a bag of the seeds under the Jade Palace floor.
Events happen, and Fenghuang manages to eat a Shuyong fruit, gaining total control over time, and uses this power to time paradox the Furious Five and Shifu out of existence.
In the tail end of the episode, Po accidentally drops his entire bag of seeds, and sends himself and Fenghuang to before the beginning of time. Fenghuang, who previously could control time with ease, at this point fails to use time manipulation, because the duo were before the beginning of time. This confirms that at this point, the two had exited beyond the reach of a standard timeline.
It is here where they meet the Shuyong Tree, who questions the two about their motivations. Whoever gives the worthy response is spared, and whoever doesn't is consigned to oblivion. The latter ends up being Fenghuang, who is cast in the mists below the tree, into oblivion.
Po, meanwhile, questions the tree on why its seeds were at the Jade Palace, and the tree gives a vague response of its seeds being "everywhere", before enacting what it refers to as "the mother of all do-overs", using time manipulation to reset reality back to how it was when the episode began, with Shifu and the Five alive, and the seeds in their original placement under the floor of the palace.
To summarize:
-Fenghuang gained the power to travel through the timeline from the Shuyong Fruit
-Fenghuang became unable to travel through time when transported to "Before the Beginning of Time", meaning that standard time manipulation fails because they're outside the range of a normal timeline
-The Shuyong Tree, as the progenitor of time, IS able to use time manipulation at Before the Beginning of Time, meaning that a higher order time axis exists that the Shuyong Fruits cannot access.
-The Tree is able to use time manipulation to recreate the Furious Five, Shifu, and the conditions from the start of the episode, and is aware of them, meaning the Tree has knowledge of the events of temporally erased beings and can recreate them via time manipulation.
As such, due to the existence of a higher level of time enabling the recreation of temporally erased events via time manipulation, I propose that the Shuyong Tree, and those that scale to it (Peak Po and Jindiao), get updated to possibly Low 1-C via the existence of a hypertimeline. Since a lot of this is predicated on the Shuyong Tree, I'm also proposing a profile for it, with several hax additions.
-Possible Higher-Dimensional Existence (5-D): The Shuyong Tree acts as an independent time axis, being the creator and embodiment of time and enabling time manipulation in an era where lower-level time does not exist.
-Acausality (Type 1) and possible Temporal Omniscience: Po and Fenghuang already have this for remembering time paradoxes, but the Shuyong Tree is also aware of erased events, even when they are in the far future, and is able to perfectly recreate said erased events, implying that it is aware of events occurring in all points in time.
-Possible Existence Erasure: The Shuyong Tree consigns Fenghuang to oblivion.
-Immortality (Type 1 and 8): The Shuyong will exist for the entire duration of time, and as long as its seeds exist a new tree can be planted anywhere.
-Time Manipulation (and possible resistance): Rewound time to reset reality to how it was before the episode began, and stopped Fenghuang's attack. Also naturally exists before the beginning of time with no negative effects, with time manipulation not working due to there being no time to manipulate.
-Power Bestowal: Its seeds grant the power to rewind time, and its fruit allows users to travel through time at will, as well as appear in multiple locations via time echos.
-Resistance to Void Manipulation: Same reason as Po, the Shuyong is a natural denizen of the realm before time.
Other additions are discussed in the sandbox.
Po and Jindiao already have possibly time manipulation attached to their profile by virtue of absorbing the origin of chi, so they would also get a "possibly" on any physiology based abilities of the Shuyong as well. These include:
-Resistance to Void Manipulation
-Resistance to Time Manipulation
-Type 1 Acausality (just for Jindiao)
-possible 5-D existence for the Wellspring's chi
In Summary:
-Po and Jindiao (post Wellspring absorption) become possibly Low 1-C instead of possibly Low 2-C
-New Shuyong Tree Profile
-New abilities and resistances added to Po and Jindiao post-Wellspring absorption
Interested in how this ends up.
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
