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Seven Deadly Sins Calc Issues

You missed this panel, which provides the clearest and most effective comparison between Behemoth's fur and Albion's. As I said, you must not have been able to properly see where the diameter of the hair ended, because you finished it where the other hair knot began.
Anyway, the main point is, since the size of the albion has already been calculated, why did you choose to use your eye? My guess is that you're annoyed and want to reach the minimum possible value, right? Because the eye doesn't have an average value, and a small error in the variable drawing can lead to big changes.

Do you see the difference between the two images? (I'm referring to the second photo in the first link I sent. As you can see, the entire back is covered in hair. From this angle, some hairs appear to be several times larger than others.) In the first photo, the rock is less than three times the size of a hair, while in the second photo, the rock is almost ten times the size of a hair. The first panel shows a perspective error.
 
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It would’ve been such a huge help if the person that created the original GPE calc was here to defend his calc instead of self sabotaging himself and getting banned.

Anyways sorry for the hold up, I just got back from work and honestly I’m contemplating if I should go through with this response or not seeing as though I’m like the only supporter left standing
 
Jey-kun52 said:
My guess is that you're annoyed and want to reach the minimum possible value, right?
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There are only two of you left, do not decrease this number.
Majinere566 said:
Anyways sorry for the hold up, I just got back from work and honestly I’m contemplating if I should go through with this response or not seeing as though I’m like the only supporter left standing
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You’re free to, you’re also the only NNT supporter that can keep a conversation going without losing their minds. I’m sure we can reach a compromise.
 
Majinere566 said:
It would’ve been such a huge help if the person that created the original GPE calc was here to defend his calc instead of self sabotaging himself and getting banned.

Anyways sorry for the hold up, I just got back from work and honestly I’m contemplating if I should go through with this response or not seeing as though I’m like the only supporter left standing
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I am still here altough I don't know much about calculations.
 
Here is what needs to be decided. The full size of Behemoth, the amount of damage Behemoth can do and what the full AP value is. Who scales to Behemoth. We need to do this in a civil manner and have the calc group member take a look at the calcs.
 
Alright I guess I’ll do this hopefully we can get something out of this.



M3X_2.0 said:
Introduction

Some of the Seven Deadly Sins calculations have issues, and I want to tackle them. Here are the calcs.
Earthquake issues

This formula cannot be applied to air because it is specifically designed for earthquakes, which involve seismic waves traveling through the ground. Air does not transmit energy in the same way as rock or soil; instead, disturbances in the atmosphere propagate as sound waves or shockwaves, governed by pressure, density, and acoustic/blast physics. Therefore, using an earthquake magnitude formula for air would mix two different physical systems and produce an inaccurate energy estimate.

I also have issues with the Magnitude used, the magnitude used does not represent the destruction caused. Zeldris saying "it's like it could tear the Demon World apart" is something Zeldris himself feel it could happen, and the destruction we see is consistent with those of a magnitude 5 or even 4.

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This calc also uses atmosphere for Earthquakes. It should be removed.

They should use this instead.
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I believe there’s been a misunderstanding. The calculation here doesn’t calculate The shaking of the atmosphere using the earthquake formula, The only purpose the atmosphere serves in the calculation was to justify the magnitude used.


We have discussed the Magnitude contention before but I wasn’t satisfied with your response and vice versa so I’ll try to explain my points again.

The Justification I used in my calculation stems from the two statements about how the howls could tear apart the Demon Realm and Zeldris’ statement of the fate of the demon realm in limbo depending on Percival’s efficiency of neutralizing the threat. I believe it’s the Author’s intent to show just how destructive the behemoth is by using those two back to back. As you said the damage shown does not reflect what the statement implies and I disagree due to the fact that Percival deals with at the end of the chapter before more damage was ensued.

I also brought up a flashback narrated Zeldris and it was shown that the behemoth’s earthquakes are capable of creating fissures on the ground, although unfortunately nothing else was shown but i believe it’s a nice support panel that would somewhat justify the reason I used the magnitude in my calculation as tearing apart the realm would qualify as changing the topography.
M3X_2.0 said:
This calc also has to change due to the new size and mass. And also these timeframes makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Behemoth was never seen moving in one or ten seconds, the only times we see it moving was the first appearence and when he went to sleep, and those he moved offscreen. There is no reason to assume that a being with over 100km in length would easily move in 1 or 10 seconds. Just remove this calc, the GPE gives Low 6-B results already.
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I mean it should be easy to quantify this feat using the anime. I don’t have access to the clips currently but we can walk through this using manga panels I posted in order of the events.

I lied actually I did find a YouTube clip

Whether or not it’s 1-10 seconds is up in the air but we now should have a quantifiable timeframe.
M3X_2.0 said:
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Why wouldn’t anyone scale to The Behemoth pushing its negative energy? The narrative dictates that The Demon King is above the Behemoth and The Behemoth performs this feat by pushing its ash like miasma so I don’t see why The Demon King’s Massive force wouldn’t scale above this feat

I’ll reiterate what I said last time

I’m not as well versed in calcs than I used to be but hasn’t Kinetic Energy feats always been greater than Potential Energy feats? Since like KE is velocity squared and GPE only linearly scales with height. I’m not a calc guru or anything but that’s what I’ve always observed
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So why would it be a contradiction when one feat is calculating the potential energy of the behemoth standing up and not in motion vs the other feat calculating the behemoth in motion?


Thanks for waiting, Apologies for all the emotional NNT fans
 
The new Behemoth size is far better than that ridiculous Moon+ one it had before for no reason.
Not sure about Earthquakes and whatnot. I honestly don't care, and I don't know why should any of you at this stage of the manga. Just wait until it becomes clearer later and maybe more feats appear.

I am sure the world wouldn't end if you benched Behemoth scaling for some time. Considering you don't even have a direct battle of Behemoth with other characters I don't think it makes sense to obsess over it.
 
Anyway, regarding the earthquake, as I said, a magnitude 4-5 earthquake would be completely absurd. I even showed the effects of a magnitude 7.7 earthquake; the cracks caused by the Behemoth's earthquake are enormous compared to the Behemoth's size. A magnitude 7.7 earthquake pales in comparison, like a coughing baby.
 
Slacjow said:
The new Behemoth size is far better than that ridiculous Moon+ one it had before for no reason.
Not sure about Earthquakes and whatnot. I honestly don't care, and I don't know why should any of you at this stage of the manga. Just wait until it becomes clearer later and maybe more feats appear.

I am sure the world wouldn't end if you benched Behemoth scaling for some time. Considering you don't even have a direct battle of Behemoth with other characters I don't think it makes sense to obsess over it.
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I mean when the basis of the scaling has been the behemoth for the better part of 2 years it’s kinda hard not to “obsess”
 
Majinere566 said:
I mean when the basis of the scaling has been the behemoth for the better part of 2 years it’s kinda hard not to “obsess”
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Maybe don't use it as the basis of scaling then? I haven't read all the sequel yet but Behemoth isn't that big part of the story currently and doesn't have any on screen fights for it to be that important. Of course if it had on screen direct fights it is different.
 
Slacjow said:
Maybe don't use it as the basis of scaling then? I haven't read all the sequel yet but Behemoth isn't that big part of the story currently and doesn't have any on screen fights for it to be that important. Of course if it had on screen direct fights it is different.
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I’m sorry that makes no sense. It’s a character that we believed performed the best feats across the series so what’s the harm in basing the scaling off it
 
Majinere566 said:
I’m sorry that makes no sense. It’s a character that we believed performed the best feats across the series so what’s the harm in basing the scaling off it
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Slacjow said:
Maybe don't use it as the basis of scaling then? I haven't read all the sequel yet but Behemoth isn't that big part of the story currently and doesn't have any on screen fights for it to be that important. Of course if it had on screen direct fights it is different.
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If I recall the characters scale to the Behemoth is because the Demon King managed to put it to sleep through sheer force (though it was something that never actually shown) and thus characters who scales to the Demon King scaled to the Behemoth.
 
Bossbrosish said:
If I recall the characters scale to the Behemoth is because the Demon King managed to put it to sleep through sheer force (though it was something that never actually shown) and thus characters who scales to the Demon King scaled to the Behemoth.
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Could had been hax for all we know
 
BlackeJan said:
That can still be using his “powers” to put it to sleep. We have no idea if it was through actual force or a type of hax
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I think it's implied since "massive force" is used. However, we're going to get side tracked if we talk about the current scaling with the Demon King and the Behemoth. Let's save that for a separate discussion.
 
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