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Possible level 5-B in MHA (collection and analysis)

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Today I have taken the time to compile ALL the Planetary Declarations within the MHA verse (that I know of) to date.

Within this link, I compiled and analyzed all the planetary references within the verse.

Taking into account everything mentioned within the link, I believe it should be analyzed and discussed whether this scale could be accepted within the profile of the characters.(at least with Deku, Shigaraki, All Might and All For One).

In the link I used the references given in the manga, anime, movie, game, light novel, covers, databooks and the narrative of the series to give sense of scale.
The work consistently follows all the decorations and feats, avoiding contradictions, and the play fixes some things. (It should be clarified that All's Justice is canon, and Horikoshi himself was intrinsically involved with its development and every line of dialogue to be accepted).
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
De hecho, Bro lo convirtió en un crt. Pensé que era una discusión general
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It's my first time, But I spent all day arranging this, and it took me 1 or 2 hours to find a narrative consistency for all the mentions. I'd like to know what the staff thinks, or if they can tag them and see what they think
 
but genuinely the amount of world ending statements mha has is absolutely bonkers

hell it might be one of the only new gen manga's where its this consistently stated and they're all unique none the less so it isnt smth like jjk's back covers where its the same statement over and over
 
JoeDM021 said:
but genuinely the amount of world ending statements mha has is absolutely bonkers

hell it might be one of the only new gen manga's where its this consistently stated and they're all unique none the less so it isnt smth like jjk's back covers where its the same statement over and over
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The only ones I couldn't find were Dark Might's in the Latin American dub, saying that his power can bend the planet and its variations, but Anna's Quirk is more than enough
 
Yunoo said:
Today I have taken the time to compile ALL the Planetary Declarations within the MHA verse (that I know of) to date.

Within this link, I compiled and analyzed all the planetary references within the verse.

Taking into account everything mentioned within the link, I believe it should be analyzed and discussed whether this scale could be accepted within the profile of the characters.(at least with Deku, Shigaraki, All Might and All For One).

In the link I used the references given in the manga, anime, movie, game, light novel, covers, databooks and the narrative of the series to give sense of scale.
The work consistently follows all the decorations and feats, avoiding contradictions, and the play fixes some things. (It should be clarified that All's Justice is canon, and Horikoshi himself was intrinsically involved with its development and every line of dialogue to be accepted).
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  1. The statement does not specify a timeframe, a mechanism, or a scope that implies planetary destruction of the celestial body. "World" in common usage, especially in a series whose entire premise is built around hero society and societal collapse, defaults to the civilization the characters inhabit. Without explicit clarification that it refers to the celestial body, you are inserting an assumption the text does not support and then scaling from that assumption. That is not how burden of proof works.
  2. Shigaraki's stated goal is the destruction of hero society and everything built upon it. His philosophy is the erasure of the existing social order. A man whose ideology is about dismantling civilization has no philosophical motivation to obliterate the celestial body itself, which would achieve nothing his ideology demands beyond what surface-level destruction already accomplishes. The statement fits his established goals perfectly without requiring planetary interpretation. You need to explain why the celestial body reading is necessary here, not just "possible".
  3. "Everything visible" is a figure of speech with a clearly established contextual ceiling. If we abandon contextual grounding and treat every scalar word as literally maximized, there is no principled stopping point. You don't want a ceiling? Fine, why not "universe level" or "outerversal" readings? It's everything visible, and Shigaraki can see a galaxy on a telescope! The principle you are applying selectively to reach planet level applies equally to those tiers. If you would not accept those conclusions, you need to explain why planet level is the cutoff and not arbitrary.
  4. "The physical world" in context refers to the physical reality of the world these characters live in, meaning civilization, society, infrastructure, human life. The surface of the planet qualifies entirely for that reading. You have not provided any contextual evidence that the speaker intended the geological body.
  5. "Global menace" is an established idiomatic phrase meaning a threat of widespread societal consequence. It is used in real-world journalism, politics, and fiction constantly to describe threats to human welfare rather than threats to planetary geology.
  6. The internal consistency of the series itself resolves this. "80% of the world has quirks" uses "world" to mean human population globally. The same speaker using "global threat" in the same thematic context is using "world" the same way. You cannot take "world" as human population in one sentence and then take it as celestial body in another without a specific reason grounded in the text. You have provided none.
  7. The absence of a timeframe is not a neutral factor here, it actively hurts the planetary argument. Planet-busting as a calced feat requires instantaneous or near-instantaneous energy release to meet the gravitational binding energy threshold. Destruction occurring over any meaningful timeframe drops the required power output dramatically. "The moment it touches the ground" describes the initiation of the destructive effect, not the completion of planetary annihilation.
  8. Running a Spanish translation through a machine translator and treating the output as a precise technical claim is not a methodology anyone should be accepting in a scaling debate. Beyond the translation issue, the logical point remains: the most efficient path to the villain's stated goals is surface-level destruction of civilization, not annihilation of the planetary body. Destroying the core or detonating the celestial body achieves nothing incrementally better than surface wiping for their purposes, and would in fact destroy everything they claim to want power over.
  9. The statement as presented does not contain the claim being attributed to it.
  10. "Keep destroying" is linguistically incompatible with instantaneous planetary detonation. Continuous or repeated action over time is the explicit meaning of that phrasing. A planet that explodes in a single instant is not described with iterative language.
  11. Every instance of "world" in this series that has a verifiable referent points to civilization, society, or the inhabited surface. You have not produced a single example where "world" in MHA unambiguously refers to the geological celestial body.
  12. "Leave this world with no hope of recovery" explicitly preserves the existence of the world as an object. Something left with no hope of recovery still exists in a damaged state. A planet that has been detonated beyond its gravitational binding energy does not exist in any state.
  13. This statement is the most self-defeating one in the entire compilation. It explicitly equates "world" with "hero society" within its own text. You cannot submit a statement as evidence for planetary destruction when that statement internally defines "world" as the social structure the characters are fighting over.
  14. Protecting the whole world from a threat does not imply the threat is capable of destroying the geological body. It implies the threat is beyond the capacity of existing societal structures to handle alone.
  15. A statement claiming to bend the planet requires a verified translation before it can be used as evidence, a clear indication that "bend" refers to physical geological deformation rather than metaphorical impact, and a demonstrated timeframe to calculate meaningful energy output. None of those three things have been provided. A single ambiguous statement cannot establish 5-B on its own under any reasonable evidentiary standard.
  16. Game canon requires explicit authorial confirmation to be treated as scaling-relevant in the same tier as manga and anime.
  17. The battle reactions shown in the series are social and emotional. Characters express shock, despair, and awe. News coverage spreads. The physical environment of the battle site is damaged. None of this constitutes the planet shaking as a geological event. You are using the metaphorical meaning of "shake the world", to cause a massive impactful event, as though it were a literal seismological measurement.
  18. "Deciding the fate of the world" in a narrative about societal conflict means the outcome of this battle determines the future of civilization. If the villains win, they impose their ideology and destroy everything people have built. If the heroes win, society survives. .
  19. The capitalization. "Earth" capitalized is a proper noun referring to the planet. "earth" lowercase is the common noun referring to soil, ground, or land. The one in the novel is lowecase.
  20. "End of the world" without scope, timeframe, or mechanism is the single most overused hyperbolic phrase in all of fiction.

37 scans of statements using "world", "earth", "global", and "everything" in a series that has consistently and demonstrably used those words to mean human civilization rather than the geological body. Not one of them provides a timeframe. Not one of them provides a mechanism. Not one of them survives basic contextual analysis without importing an assumption the text does not support. The compilation is not evidence of planetary capability.

I wholeheartedly reject the very concept of this Revision Thread. Good night.
 
JoeDM021 said:
but genuinely the amount of world ending statements mha has is absolutely bonkers

hell it might be one of the only new gen manga's where its this consistently stated and they're all unique none the less so it isnt smth like jjk's back covers where its the same statement over and over
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If one kind of statement is worthless in terms of evidence, that same kind of statement being repeated 37 times does not make it a stronger argument.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
  1. The statement does not specify a timeframe, a mechanism, or a scope that implies planetary destruction of the celestial body. "World" in common usage, especially in a series whose entire premise is built around hero society and societal collapse, defaults to the civilization the characters inhabit. Without explicit clarification that it refers to the celestial body, you are inserting an assumption the text does not support and then scaling from that assumption. That is not how burden of proof works.
  2. Shigaraki's stated goal is the destruction of hero society and everything built upon it. His philosophy is the erasure of the existing social order. A man whose ideology is about dismantling civilization has no philosophical motivation to obliterate the celestial body itself, which would achieve nothing his ideology demands beyond what surface-level destruction already accomplishes. The statement fits his established goals perfectly without requiring planetary interpretation. You need to explain why the celestial body reading is necessary here, not just "possible".
  3. "Everything visible" is a figure of speech with a clearly established contextual ceiling. If we abandon contextual grounding and treat every scalar word as literally maximized, there is no principled stopping point. You don't want a ceiling? Fine, why not "universe level" or "outerversal" readings? It's everything visible, and Shigaraki can see a galaxy on a telescope! The principle you are applying selectively to reach planet level applies equally to those tiers. If you would not accept those conclusions, you need to explain why planet level is the cutoff and not arbitrary.
  4. "The physical world" in context refers to the physical reality of the world these characters live in, meaning civilization, society, infrastructure, human life. The surface of the planet qualifies entirely for that reading. You have not provided any contextual evidence that the speaker intended the geological body.
  5. "Global menace" is an established idiomatic phrase meaning a threat of widespread societal consequence. It is used in real-world journalism, politics, and fiction constantly to describe threats to human welfare rather than threats to planetary geology.
  6. The internal consistency of the series itself resolves this. "80% of the world has quirks" uses "world" to mean human population globally. The same speaker using "global threat" in the same thematic context is using "world" the same way. You cannot take "world" as human population in one sentence and then take it as celestial body in another without a specific reason grounded in the text. You have provided none.
  7. The absence of a timeframe is not a neutral factor here, it actively hurts the planetary argument. Planet-busting as a calced feat requires instantaneous or near-instantaneous energy release to meet the gravitational binding energy threshold. Destruction occurring over any meaningful timeframe drops the required power output dramatically. "The moment it touches the ground" describes the initiation of the destructive effect, not the completion of planetary annihilation.
  8. Running a Spanish translation through a machine translator and treating the output as a precise technical claim is not a methodology anyone should be accepting in a scaling debate. Beyond the translation issue, the logical point remains: the most efficient path to the villain's stated goals is surface-level destruction of civilization, not annihilation of the planetary body. Destroying the core or detonating the celestial body achieves nothing incrementally better than surface wiping for their purposes, and would in fact destroy everything they claim to want power over.
  9. The statement as presented does not contain the claim being attributed to it.
  10. "Keep destroying" is linguistically incompatible with instantaneous planetary detonation. Continuous or repeated action over time is the explicit meaning of that phrasing. A planet that explodes in a single instant is not described with iterative language.
  11. Every instance of "world" in this series that has a verifiable referent points to civilization, society, or the inhabited surface. You have not produced a single example where "world" in MHA unambiguously refers to the geological celestial body.
  12. "Leave this world with no hope of recovery" explicitly preserves the existence of the world as an object. Something left with no hope of recovery still exists in a damaged state. A planet that has been detonated beyond its gravitational binding energy does not exist in any state.
  13. This statement is the most self-defeating one in the entire compilation. It explicitly equates "world" with "hero society" within its own text. You cannot submit a statement as evidence for planetary destruction when that statement internally defines "world" as the social structure the characters are fighting over.
  14. Protecting the whole world from a threat does not imply the threat is capable of destroying the geological body. It implies the threat is beyond the capacity of existing societal structures to handle alone.
  15. A statement claiming to bend the planet requires a verified translation before it can be used as evidence, a clear indication that "bend" refers to physical geological deformation rather than metaphorical impact, and a demonstrated timeframe to calculate meaningful energy output. None of those three things have been provided. A single ambiguous statement cannot establish 5-B on its own under any reasonable evidentiary standard.
  16. Game canon requires explicit authorial confirmation to be treated as scaling-relevant in the same tier as manga and anime.
  17. The battle reactions shown in the series are social and emotional. Characters express shock, despair, and awe. News coverage spreads. The physical environment of the battle site is damaged. None of this constitutes the planet shaking as a geological event. You are using the metaphorical meaning of "shake the world", to cause a massive impactful event, as though it were a literal seismological measurement.
  18. "Deciding the fate of the world" in a narrative about societal conflict means the outcome of this battle determines the future of civilization. If the villains win, they impose their ideology and destroy everything people have built. If the heroes win, society survives. .
  19. The capitalization. "Earth" capitalized is a proper noun referring to the planet. "earth" lowercase is the common noun referring to soil, ground, or land. The one in the novel is lowecase.
  20. "End of the world" without scope, timeframe, or mechanism is the single most overused hyperbolic phrase in all of fiction.

37 scans of statements using "world", "earth", "global", and "everything" in a series that has consistently and demonstrably used those words to mean human civilization rather than the geological body. Not one of them provides a timeframe. Not one of them provides a mechanism. Not one of them survives basic contextual analysis without importing an assumption the text does not support. The compilation is not evidence of planetary capability.

I wholeheartedly reject the very concept of this Revision Thread. Good night.
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woahhh they let WHO back? anyways fully agree with charmander
 
At the very least, OP's efforts to compile all these scans will not go to waste. It should be noted that OP never asked for Up to Planetary Range, and is solely arguing for Planetary AP. I dunno if voting for range alone would count, but I hope it does.

EDIT: I know range would also come as a consequence of that, but its sole addition is not being argued for, is what I meant.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
  1. The statement does not specify a timeframe, a mechanism, or a scope that implies planetary destruction of the celestial body. "World" in common usage, especially in a series whose entire premise is built around hero society and societal collapse, defaults to the civilization the characters inhabit. Without explicit clarification that it refers to the celestial body, you are inserting an assumption the text does not support and then scaling from that assumption. That is not how burden of proof works.
  2. Shigaraki's stated goal is the destruction of hero society and everything built upon it. His philosophy is the erasure of the existing social order. A man whose ideology is about dismantling civilization has no philosophical motivation to obliterate the celestial body itself, which would achieve nothing his ideology demands beyond what surface-level destruction already accomplishes. The statement fits his established goals perfectly without requiring planetary interpretation. You need to explain why the celestial body reading is necessary here, not just "possible".
  3. "Everything visible" is a figure of speech with a clearly established contextual ceiling. If we abandon contextual grounding and treat every scalar word as literally maximized, there is no principled stopping point. You don't want a ceiling? Fine, why not "universe level" or "outerversal" readings? It's everything visible, and Shigaraki can see a galaxy on a telescope! The principle you are applying selectively to reach planet level applies equally to those tiers. If you would not accept those conclusions, you need to explain why planet level is the cutoff and not arbitrary.
  4. "The physical world" in context refers to the physical reality of the world these characters live in, meaning civilization, society, infrastructure, human life. The surface of the planet qualifies entirely for that reading. You have not provided any contextual evidence that the speaker intended the geological body.
  5. "Global menace" is an established idiomatic phrase meaning a threat of widespread societal consequence. It is used in real-world journalism, politics, and fiction constantly to describe threats to human welfare rather than threats to planetary geology.
  6. The internal consistency of the series itself resolves this. "80% of the world has quirks" uses "world" to mean human population globally. The same speaker using "global threat" in the same thematic context is using "world" the same way. You cannot take "world" as human population in one sentence and then take it as celestial body in another without a specific reason grounded in the text. You have provided none.
  7. The absence of a timeframe is not a neutral factor here, it actively hurts the planetary argument. Planet-busting as a calced feat requires instantaneous or near-instantaneous energy release to meet the gravitational binding energy threshold. Destruction occurring over any meaningful timeframe drops the required power output dramatically. "The moment it touches the ground" describes the initiation of the destructive effect, not the completion of planetary annihilation.
  8. Running a Spanish translation through a machine translator and treating the output as a precise technical claim is not a methodology anyone should be accepting in a scaling debate. Beyond the translation issue, the logical point remains: the most efficient path to the villain's stated goals is surface-level destruction of civilization, not annihilation of the planetary body. Destroying the core or detonating the celestial body achieves nothing incrementally better than surface wiping for their purposes, and would in fact destroy everything they claim to want power over.
  9. The statement as presented does not contain the claim being attributed to it.
  10. "Keep destroying" is linguistically incompatible with instantaneous planetary detonation. Continuous or repeated action over time is the explicit meaning of that phrasing. A planet that explodes in a single instant is not described with iterative language.
  11. Every instance of "world" in this series that has a verifiable referent points to civilization, society, or the inhabited surface. You have not produced a single example where "world" in MHA unambiguously refers to the geological celestial body.
  12. "Leave this world with no hope of recovery" explicitly preserves the existence of the world as an object. Something left with no hope of recovery still exists in a damaged state. A planet that has been detonated beyond its gravitational binding energy does not exist in any state.
  13. This statement is the most self-defeating one in the entire compilation. It explicitly equates "world" with "hero society" within its own text. You cannot submit a statement as evidence for planetary destruction when that statement internally defines "world" as the social structure the characters are fighting over.
  14. Protecting the whole world from a threat does not imply the threat is capable of destroying the geological body. It implies the threat is beyond the capacity of existing societal structures to handle alone.
  15. A statement claiming to bend the planet requires a verified translation before it can be used as evidence, a clear indication that "bend" refers to physical geological deformation rather than metaphorical impact, and a demonstrated timeframe to calculate meaningful energy output. None of those three things have been provided. A single ambiguous statement cannot establish 5-B on its own under any reasonable evidentiary standard.
  16. Game canon requires explicit authorial confirmation to be treated as scaling-relevant in the same tier as manga and anime.
  17. The battle reactions shown in the series are social and emotional. Characters express shock, despair, and awe. News coverage spreads. The physical environment of the battle site is damaged. None of this constitutes the planet shaking as a geological event. You are using the metaphorical meaning of "shake the world", to cause a massive impactful event, as though it were a literal seismological measurement.
  18. "Deciding the fate of the world" in a narrative about societal conflict means the outcome of this battle determines the future of civilization. If the villains win, they impose their ideology and destroy everything people have built. If the heroes win, society survives. .
  19. The capitalization. "Earth" capitalized is a proper noun referring to the planet. "earth" lowercase is the common noun referring to soil, ground, or land. The one in the novel is lowecase.
  20. "End of the world" without scope, timeframe, or mechanism is the single most overused hyperbolic phrase in all of fiction.

37 scans of statements using "world", "earth", "global", and "everything" in a series that has consistently and demonstrably used those words to mean human civilization rather than the geological body. Not one of them provides a timeframe. Not one of them provides a mechanism. Not one of them survives basic contextual analysis without importing an assumption the text does not support. The compilation is not evidence of planetary capability.

I wholeheartedly reject the very concept of this Revision Thread. Good night.
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damn bro yapped up a whole storm but we know when shigaraki says he wants to destroy the world (as in the celestial body) when we see him say he's going to decay japan and then everything else (which I feel like you explicitly left out and didnt mention at all to argue against with your argument) he legit even explicitly specifies Japan's km^2 size in full which means hes literally talking about Japan as in the land mass and not the societal structure on top and he even says he means nice and down deep not just a surface level destruction which explicitly notes away from it just being a "societal" thing or js a hollow wipe on the top and it even solidifies this with the fact he wants to destroy it till theres no hope of restoration which would require things to be so damaged there is literally nothing left to recover and rebuild which would require most if not all of japan's land mass to be destroyed. and he doesn't just stop there he specifies everything past it and the world too and due to this context we know he means the physical land mass and not just "society" like you constantly try to frame it as here.

We do have a time frame to actually as he says he would destroy a huge chunk of the shizuoka prefecture in the blink of an eye explicitly which we can easily get a time frame off of for his world destruction if we take it as literal and we could because of course decay is shigaraki's own ability he should likely know a lot about it due to working with it for decades of his life as well as this statement being for the first few seconds of decay which is a lot easier for shigaraki to note the effects of its destructiveness since its the immediate destruction rather then him guessing how long it would take to destroy the world (which makes the week to destroy statement less credible since its harder to guess the longer decay goes on). With this we know that he's referring to the physical land mass and not society which going by your logic would also fit within his ideals and goals as by physically destroying the hero society he's essentially doing the exact same thing as just "crumbling society that cant recover". With the fact that he specifies the land mass of japan and saying its actual size in km^2 makes it MUCH easier to believe that hes referring the physical planet itself rather then society. With the blink of an eye statement we can also get a time frame for this destruction of the world so take this information as u will.

Edit: Also the games explicitly say hes going to "flatten the planet" which is a very obvious tell of physical land mass destruction rather then society.

As for your other arguments ill leave that for other people to discuss.
 
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GodlyCharmander said:
  1. The statement does not specify a timeframe, a mechanism, or a scope that implies planetary destruction of the celestial body. "World" in common usage, especially in a series whose entire premise is built around hero society and societal collapse, defaults to the civilization the characters inhabit. Without explicit clarification that it refers to the celestial body, you are inserting an assumption the text does not support and then scaling from that assumption. That is not how burden of proof works.
  2. Shigaraki's stated goal is the destruction of hero society and everything built upon it. His philosophy is the erasure of the existing social order. A man whose ideology is about dismantling civilization has no philosophical motivation to obliterate the celestial body itself, which would achieve nothing his ideology demands beyond what surface-level destruction already accomplishes. The statement fits his established goals perfectly without requiring planetary interpretation. You need to explain why the celestial body reading is necessary here, not just "possible".
  3. "Everything visible" is a figure of speech with a clearly established contextual ceiling. If we abandon contextual grounding and treat every scalar word as literally maximized, there is no principled stopping point. You don't want a ceiling? Fine, why not "universe level" or "outerversal" readings? It's everything visible, and Shigaraki can see a galaxy on a telescope! The principle you are applying selectively to reach planet level applies equally to those tiers. If you would not accept those conclusions, you need to explain why planet level is the cutoff and not arbitrary.
  4. "The physical world" in context refers to the physical reality of the world these characters live in, meaning civilization, society, infrastructure, human life. The surface of the planet qualifies entirely for that reading. You have not provided any contextual evidence that the speaker intended the geological body.
  5. "Global menace" is an established idiomatic phrase meaning a threat of widespread societal consequence. It is used in real-world journalism, politics, and fiction constantly to describe threats to human welfare rather than threats to planetary geology.
  6. The internal consistency of the series itself resolves this. "80% of the world has quirks" uses "world" to mean human population globally. The same speaker using "global threat" in the same thematic context is using "world" the same way. You cannot take "world" as human population in one sentence and then take it as celestial body in another without a specific reason grounded in the text. You have provided none.
  7. The absence of a timeframe is not a neutral factor here, it actively hurts the planetary argument. Planet-busting as a calced feat requires instantaneous or near-instantaneous energy release to meet the gravitational binding energy threshold. Destruction occurring over any meaningful timeframe drops the required power output dramatically. "The moment it touches the ground" describes the initiation of the destructive effect, not the completion of planetary annihilation.
  8. Running a Spanish translation through a machine translator and treating the output as a precise technical claim is not a methodology anyone should be accepting in a scaling debate. Beyond the translation issue, the logical point remains: the most efficient path to the villain's stated goals is surface-level destruction of civilization, not annihilation of the planetary body. Destroying the core or detonating the celestial body achieves nothing incrementally better than surface wiping for their purposes, and would in fact destroy everything they claim to want power over.
  9. The statement as presented does not contain the claim being attributed to it.
  10. "Keep destroying" is linguistically incompatible with instantaneous planetary detonation. Continuous or repeated action over time is the explicit meaning of that phrasing. A planet that explodes in a single instant is not described with iterative language.
  11. Every instance of "world" in this series that has a verifiable referent points to civilization, society, or the inhabited surface. You have not produced a single example where "world" in MHA unambiguously refers to the geological celestial body.
  12. "Leave this world with no hope of recovery" explicitly preserves the existence of the world as an object. Something left with no hope of recovery still exists in a damaged state. A planet that has been detonated beyond its gravitational binding energy does not exist in any state.
  13. This statement is the most self-defeating one in the entire compilation. It explicitly equates "world" with "hero society" within its own text. You cannot submit a statement as evidence for planetary destruction when that statement internally defines "world" as the social structure the characters are fighting over.
  14. Protecting the whole world from a threat does not imply the threat is capable of destroying the geological body. It implies the threat is beyond the capacity of existing societal structures to handle alone.
  15. A statement claiming to bend the planet requires a verified translation before it can be used as evidence, a clear indication that "bend" refers to physical geological deformation rather than metaphorical impact, and a demonstrated timeframe to calculate meaningful energy output. None of those three things have been provided. A single ambiguous statement cannot establish 5-B on its own under any reasonable evidentiary standard.
  16. Game canon requires explicit authorial confirmation to be treated as scaling-relevant in the same tier as manga and anime.
  17. Las reacciones de batalla que se muestran en la serie son sociales y emocionales. Los personajes expresan conmoción, desesperación y asombro. Se difunde la cobertura informativa. El entorno físico del lugar de la batalla está dañado. Nada de esto constituye el temblor del planeta como un evento geológico. Estás usando el significado metafórico de "sacudir el mundo", para provocar un evento de impacto masivo, como si fuera una medición sismológica literal.
  18. "Decidir el destino del mundo" en una narrativa sobre conflictos sociales significa que el resultado de esta batalla determina el futuro de la civilización. Si los villanos ganan, imponen su ideología y destruyen todo lo que la gente ha construido. Si los héroes ganan, la sociedad sobrevive.
  19. La capitalización. "Tierra" en mayúscula es un nombre propio que se refiere al planeta. "tierra" minúscula es el sustantivo común que se refiere a suelo, tierra o tierra. El de la novela es lowecase.
  20. "Fin del mundo" sin alcance, marco temporal ni mecanismo es la frase hiperbólica más utilizada en toda la ficción.

37 escaneos de afirmaciones que utilizan "mundo", "tierra", "global" y "todo" en una serie que ha utilizado de manera consistente y demostrable esas palabras para referirse a la civilización humana en lugar del cuerpo geológico. Ninguno de ellos proporciona un plazo. Ninguno de ellos proporciona un mecanismo. Ninguno de ellos sobrevive al análisis contextual básico sin importar una suposición que el texto no respalda. La compilación no es evidencia de capacidad planetaria.

Rechazo de todo corazón el concepto mismo de este hilo de revisión. Buenas noches.
GodlyCharmander said:
  1. The statement does not specify a timeframe, a mechanism, or a scope that implies planetary destruction of the celestial body. "World" in common usage, especially in a series whose entire premise is built around hero society and societal collapse, defaults to the civilization the characters inhabit. Without explicit clarification that it refers to the celestial body, you are inserting an assumption the text does not support and then scaling from that assumption. That is not how burden of proof works.
  2. Shigaraki's stated goal is the destruction of hero society and everything built upon it. His philosophy is the erasure of the existing social order. A man whose ideology is about dismantling civilization has no philosophical motivation to obliterate the celestial body itself, which would achieve nothing his ideology demands beyond what surface-level destruction already accomplishes. The statement fits his established goals perfectly without requiring planetary interpretation. You need to explain why the celestial body reading is necessary here, not just "possible".
  3. "Everything visible" is a figure of speech with a clearly established contextual ceiling. If we abandon contextual grounding and treat every scalar word as literally maximized, there is no principled stopping point. You don't want a ceiling? Fine, why not "universe level" or "outerversal" readings? It's everything visible, and Shigaraki can see a galaxy on a telescope! The principle you are applying selectively to reach planet level applies equally to those tiers. If you would not accept those conclusions, you need to explain why planet level is the cutoff and not arbitrary.
  4. "The physical world" in context refers to the physical reality of the world these characters live in, meaning civilization, society, infrastructure, human life. The surface of the planet qualifies entirely for that reading. You have not provided any contextual evidence that the speaker intended the geological body.
  5. "Global menace" is an established idiomatic phrase meaning a threat of widespread societal consequence. It is used in real-world journalism, politics, and fiction constantly to describe threats to human welfare rather than threats to planetary geology.
  6. The internal consistency of the series itself resolves this. "80% of the world has quirks" uses "world" to mean human population globally. The same speaker using "global threat" in the same thematic context is using "world" the same way. You cannot take "world" as human population in one sentence and then take it as celestial body in another without a specific reason grounded in the text. You have provided none.
  7. La ausencia de un marco temporal no es un factor neutral aquí, perjudica activamente el argumento planetario. La destrucción de planetas como hazaña justificada requiere una liberación de energía instantánea o casi instantánea para alcanzar el umbral de energía de enlace gravitacional. La destrucción que ocurre durante un período de tiempo significativo reduce drásticamente la potencia de salida requerida. "El momento en que toca el suelo" describe el iniciación del efecto destructivo, no del compleción de aniquilación planetaria.
  8. Ejecutar una traducción al español a través de un traductor automático y tratar el resultado como una afirmación técnica precisa no es una metodología que nadie debería aceptar en un debate de escala. Más allá de la cuestión de la traducción, el punto lógico sigue siendo el mismo: el camino más eficiente hacia los objetivos declarados del villano es la destrucción superficial de la civilización, no la aniquilación del cuerpo planetario. Destruir el núcleo o detonar el cuerpo celeste no logra nada mejor que limpiar la superficie para sus propósitos y, de hecho, destruiría todo aquello sobre lo que dicen querer poder.
  9. La declaración tal como se presenta no contiene la reclamación que se le atribuye.
  10. "Sigue destruyendo" es lingüísticamente incompatible con instantáneo detonación planetaria. Acción continua o repetida a lo largo del tiempo es el significado explícito de esa frase. Un planeta que explota en un solo instante no se describe con lenguaje iterativo.
  11. Cada instancia de "mundo" en esta serie que tiene Un referente verificable apunta a la civilización, a la sociedad o a la superficie habitada. No ha producido un solo ejemplo en el que "mundo" en MHA se refiera inequívocamente al cuerpo celeste geológico.
  12. "Dejemos este mundo sin esperanzas de recuperación" explícitamente conservas la existencia del mundo como objeto. Algo que no tenía esperanzas de recuperación todavía existe en un estado dañado. Un planeta que ha sido detonado más allá de su energía de enlace gravitacional no existe en ningún estado.
  13. Esta afirmación es la más contraproducente de toda la compilación. Equivale explícitamente a "mundo" con "sociedad heroica" dentro de su propio texto. No se puede presentar una declaración como evidencia de destrucción planetaria cuando esa declaración define internamente "mundo" como la estructura social por la que luchan los personajes.
  14. Proteger al mundo entero de una amenaza no implica que la amenaza sea capaz de destruir el cuerpo geológico. Esto implica que la amenaza está más allá de la capacidad de las estructuras sociales existentes para manejarla solas.
  15. Una declaración que afirma doblar el planeta requiere una traducción verificada antes de poder usarse como evidencia, una indicación clara de que "doblar" se refiere a una deformación geológica física en lugar de metafórico impacto y un marco temporal demostrado para calcular una producción energética significativa. Ninguna de esas tres cosas ha sido proporcionada. Una sola declaración ambigua no puede establecer el 5-B por sí sola bajo ningún estándar probatorio razonable.
  16. El canon del juego requiere una confirmación explícita del autor para ser tratado como relevante para la escala en el mismo nivel que el manga y el anime.
  17. Las reacciones de batalla que se muestran en la serie son sociales y emocionales. Los personajes expresan conmoción, desesperación y asombro. Se difunde la cobertura informativa. El entorno físico del lugar de la batalla está dañado. Nada de esto constituye el temblor del planeta como un evento geológico. Estás usando el significado metafórico de "sacudir el mundo", para provocar un evento de impacto masivo, como si fuera una medición sismológica literal.
  18. "Decidir el destino del mundo" en una narrativa sobre conflictos sociales significa que el resultado de esta batalla determina el futuro de la civilización. Si los villanos ganan, imponen su ideología y destruyen todo lo que la gente ha construido. Si los héroes ganan, la sociedad sobrevive.
  19. La capitalización. "Tierra" en mayúscula es un nombre propio que se refiere al planeta. "tierra" minúscula es el sustantivo común que se refiere a suelo, tierra o tierra. El de la novela es lowecase.
  20. "Fin del mundo" sin alcance, marco temporal ni mecanismo es la frase hiperbólica más utilizada en toda la ficción.

37 escaneos de afirmaciones que utilizan "mundo", "tierra", "global" y "todo" en una serie que ha utilizado de manera consistente y demostrable esas palabras para referirse a la civilización humana en lugar del cuerpo geológico. Ninguno de ellos proporciona un plazo. Ninguno de ellos proporciona un mecanismo. Ninguno de ellos sobrevive al análisis contextual básico sin importar una suposición que el texto no respalda. La compilación no es evidencia de capacidad planetaria.

Rechazo de todo corazón el concepto mismo de este hilo de revisión. Buenas noches.
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Literalmente, tienes un escaneo que afirma explícitamente que el deseo y el objetivo de Shigaraki dejaron de ser la destrucción de la sociedad y se convirtieron en la destrucción del PLANETA. También estás ignorando las afirmaciones que utilizan la frase "la tierra misma/la tierra misma" en todo tu argumento. Respecto a la traducción de "proteger el mundo", sigue siendo consistente con lo establecido; Dark Might obtuvo el poder de destruir el mundo a través del Quirk de Anna, y Deku debe protegerlo. No contradice ningún punto establecido por la trama o la narrativa. Shigaraki se refiere a dejar el mundo irreversiblemente destruido, sin dejar espacio para que sea reconstruido, y eso solo puede implicar destrucción física con Decay. And here are the scans that show the game is canon. Deciding the fate of the world can indeed be taken as you suggest, but it is not so in all cases. In this specific case, "the fate of the world" is taken to mean its total destruction. The entire final arc refers to its destruction, and this cannot be denied. And curiously, in the panels I sent, "Earth itself" is used, in capital letters, so your argument contradicts the scans used. And the end of the world doesn't matter; in the next scan (and in the manga) it's mentioned that it's the destruction of the world. There is no third option. Your entire argument is contradicted by the scans I already provided.
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yah completely disagree, a high 6-A character can destroy the "world" overtime easily and Shigaraki does not physically scale to decay since its hax. its the same case for Homelander who has a "city destruction" statements which is something an 8-A level character can do overtime, we don't list him at 7-C or 7-B for being able to destroy New York.

i'm okay with planetary range but it should be noted as overtime since Shigaraki did say he'd need a week to do that to just japan itself.
 
JoeDM021 said:
he wants to destroy the world (as in the celestial body)
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Prove it.

JoeDM021 said:
when we see him say he's going to decay japan and then everything else
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Everything else outside of japan would be the surface.
JoeDM021 said:
Japan's km^2 size
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So it's the surface.
JoeDM021 said:
in full which means hes literally talking about Japan as in the land mass
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Notice how the volume wasn't mentioned.
JoeDM021 said:
not just a surface level destruction
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Shigaraki uses a measurement that refers to surface area
It's not about the surface.
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JoeDM021 said:
which explicitly notes away from it just being a "societal" thing or js a hollow wipe on the top
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Destroying everything over time would fit both society and surface-wiping.
JoeDM021 said:
destroy it till theres no hope of restoration
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He said he would "leave" the world in a particular state, which implies the world still exists as an object.
JoeDM021 said:
which would require things to be so damaged there is literally nothing left to recover and rebuild which would require most if not all of japan's land mass to be destroyed.
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I never limited him to Japan.
JoeDM021 said:
and he doesn't just stop there he specifies everything past it and the world too and due to this context we know he means the physical land mass and not just "society"
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Physical land mass does not imply celestial body, nor does it imply a destruction that exceeds Earth's GBE.

I believe you have a severe misundestanding about the requirements for 5-B.
JoeDM021 said:
We do have a time frame to actually as he says he would destroy a huge chunk of the shizuoka prefecture in the blink of an eye explicitly which we can easily get a time frame off of for his world destruction-
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This assumes the destruction keeps going at the same pace the further it gets from him. Inverse Square Law.
This assumes that particular destruction took into account the entire volume to the center of the Earth.

You cannot extract a timeframe from this, and even if you could, it would still not be 5-B.
JoeDM021 said:
the immediate destruction rather then him guessing how long it would take to destroy the world (which makes the week to destroy statement less credible since its harder to guess the longer decay goes on).
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I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here.
JoeDM021 said:
With this we know that he's referring to the physical land mass--
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The human society argument is not mutually exclusive with physical land mass. He is destroying society by wiping the surface of the planet.
JoeDM021 said:
"crumbling society that cant recover".
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This doesn't work as surface-wiping and planet destruction have the same practical effects. Both can be described using the same lines you and OP used. It does not benefit Shigaraki in any way to go through the effort of destroying the celestial body.
JoeDM021 said:
With the fact that he specifies the land mass of japan and saying its actual size in km^2
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km^2 refers to surface area, this benefits my point.
JoeDM021 said:
makes it MUCH easier to believe that hes referring the physical planet itself rather then society.
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The land mass refers to the world as a society, countries, surface area.
JoeDM021 said:
With the blink of an eye statement we can also get a time frame for this destruction of the world so take this information as u will.
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You cannot because ISL.

JoeDM021 said:
As for your other arguments ill leave that for other people to discuss.
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Convenient.
 
Dalesean027 said:
Sí, Charmander ya dijo todo lo que había que decir. No estoy de acuerdo con FRA, pero el alcance planetario está bien
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That is, I literally left a scan in my link that mentions that Shigaraki's goal is to destroy the world itself and not society, but he says yes. What's the logic in agreeing with him if the manga and databooks say the opposite?
 
GodlyCharmander said:
Prove it.


Everything else outside of japan would be the surface.

So it's the surface.

Notice how the volume wasn't mentioned.



Destroying everything over time would fit both society and surface-wiping.

He said he would "leave" the world in a particular state, which implies the world still exists as an object.

I never limited him to Japan.

Physical land mass does not imply celestial body, nor does it imply a destruction that exceeds Earth's GBE.

I believe you have a severe misundestanding about the requirements for 5-B.

This assumes the destruction keeps going at the same pace the further it gets from him. Inverse Square Law.
This assumes that particular destruction took into account the entire volume to the center of the Earth.

You cannot extract a timeframe from this, and even if you could, it would still not be 5-B.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here.

The human society argument is not mutually exclusive with physical land mass. He is destroying society by wiping the surface of the planet.

This doesn't work as surface-wiping and planet destruction have the same practical effects. Both can be described using the same lines you and OP used. It does not benefit Shigaraki in any way to go through the effort of destroying the celestial body.

km^2 refers to surface area, this benefits my point.

The land mass refers to the world as a society, countries, surface area.

You cannot because ISL.


Convenient.
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for all this i like how you explicitly left out where shigaraki specifically states NICE AND DOWN DEEP (Referring to your counter args against mine when talking about the japan statement)

meaning hes not referring to the SURFACE of japan he means the ENTIRE LAND MASS (height, width, length and all)

Also I think a surface wipe is fine as a mid ball since it seems extremely consistent anyway but we can be generous and if we high ball thats easy 5-B.

Also as for your arguments about the time frame that assumes decay should follow the rules of ISL which in the past when shigaraki destroyed a city it was going at the same speed for a while either showing that its slowing down rate is extremely slow or it just doesn't slow down at all but thats a possibly rather then a for sure but it does suggest that decays slowing speed over time is EXTREMELY slow.
 
JoeDM021 said:
Por todo esto, me gusta cómo omitiste explícitamente dónde dice específicamente Shigaraki AGRADABLE Y PROFUNDO (Haciendo referencia a sus contraargumentos contra los míos cuando se habla de la declaración de Japón)

lo que significa que no se refiere a la SUPERFICIE de Japón, se refiere a TODA LA MASA TERRESTRE (alto, ancho, largo y todo)

También creo que un barrido de superficie está bien como bola media ya que parece extremadamente consistente de todos modos, pero podemos ser generosos y si hacemos una bola alta eso es fácil 5-B.

También en cuanto a sus argumentos sobre el marco temporal que supone que la decadencia debe seguir las reglas de ISL, que en el pasado, cuando Shigaraki destruía una ciudad, iba a la misma velocidad durante un tiempo, ya sea mostrando que su tasa de desaceleración es extremadamente lenta o simplemente no se desacelera en absoluto, pero eso es posible, más que seguro, pero sugiere que la decadencia Reducir la velocidad con el tiempo es EXTREMADAMENTE lento.
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He completely ignored the scans that say Shigaraki's goal is to destroy the world itself, not society. Xffgccf
 
JoeDM021 said:
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Where's your proof for all of this? Without deep context, you can throw these statements out and say it's too flowery , and proof for games?
Prove the games affect the main story??

Yunoo said:
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So we're taking Databook statements as factual proof? You know... Databooks can contradict whats written in the original source material right? Prove the databooks don't fully contradict.

JoeDM021 said:
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And this.. doesn't add much why would he scale to his Hax? Decay is dura neg. Every time he uses it, he's negating durability.

Anyways final thoughts,
Disagree with AP and DC once again
The most you're getting here is range.
 
Yunoo said:
Literalmente, tienes un escaneo que afirma explícitamente que el deseo y el objetivo de Shigaraki dejaron de ser la destrucción de la sociedad y se convirtieron en la destrucción del PLANETA.
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The word "planet" is not used once. The intent to do something is not evidence of capability.
Yunoo said:
También estás ignorando las afirmaciones que utilizan la frase "la tierra misma/la tierra misma" en todo tu argumento.
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I've literally addressed it. He is targeting the Earth. Targeting something is not evidence of capability.
Yunoo said:
Respecto a la traducción de "proteger el mundo", sigue siendo consistente con lo establecido; Dark Might obtuvo el poder de destruir el mundo a través del Quirk de Anna, y Deku debe protegerlo.
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You never proved Dark Might had the power to one-shot the planet. Dark Might is Country level.
Yunoo said:
No contradice ningún punto establecido por la trama o la narrativa.
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I don't need to, the narrative and the story works perfectly well with a final villain wiping society off the map.

Yunoo said:
Shigaraki se refiere a dejar el mundo irreversiblemente destruido
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Sure, but "leaving' a world implies the world still exists, which is not something 5-B destruction would do.
Also, no timeframe.
Yunoo said:
sin dejar espacio para que sea reconstruido, y eso solo puede implicar destrucción física con Decay.
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I never denied the physical destruction, I denied the scope would include the core and the literal destruction of the planet in several pieces through space, which is a NECESSITY for 5-B.
Yunoo said:
And here are the scans that show the game is canon.
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Sure, the game has the same statements as the show, it's meaningless.
Yunoo said:
Deciding the fate of the world can indeed be taken as you suggest, but it is not so in all cases. In this specific case, "the fate of the world" is taken to mean its total destruction.
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That's literally what I said, but 'total destruction' is not what you think it means.
Yunoo said:
And curiously, in the panels I sent, "Earth itself" is used, in capital letters--
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That's a different statement that only clarifies Shigaraki's intent to target the Earth.

The statement I refuted was about the novel, which uses a lowercase earth. Concede to that one.
Yunoo said:
so your argument contradicts the scans used.
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I'm sure you can read this scan, since you're the one who sent it.
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And the end of the world doesn't matter; in the next scan (and in the manga) it's mentioned that it's the destruction of the world. There is no third option. Your entire argument is contradicted by the scans I already provided.
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It really isn't.

I clarified that "the destruction of the world" has several interpretations that can range from 5-B to freaking 7-B, these statements alone do not work as evidence of planetary tiering. You have failed to provide the context for 5-B.

You never proved timeframe (the destruction must be instant)
You never proved scope (the destruction must be instant, and must affect the entire volume of the planet)
You never proved scale (the destruction must be instant, must affect the entire volume of the planet, and its pieces need to scatter and never come together again)


It's over.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
What about the ED?
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No because he isn't decaying the planet to nothingness, he doesn't want to kill all of his friends and we know bro wants to be a hero to those overlooked by society, he simply isn't trying to nuke the planet and the "world" he's aiming to destroy the foundations built up by the society that caused those like him to go overlooked. His goal isn't some elaborate murder suicide of the planet that's gonna leave him with nothing either.
 
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