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Tbh, I wouldn't mind Silver and Blaze interacting if there was really anything interesting they did.
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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers
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MysticMania
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A lot of Sonic character dynamics feel like they exist just because. Like, Blaze and Silver don't have much reason to stick to each others' hips beyond the fact that they just randomly did in a game 2 decades ago. I feel like a lot of the franchise gets determined by "brand" and tradition.
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I like when they interact, I just wish they'd interact in a meaningful way or in ways that are actually cool that aren't just slice-of-life moments.
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I know
TheStinkeer
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I definitely agree, hence why I used somewhat reliable. Though, I didn't know about someone making alterations for feats, that's pretty crazy
But Perfect Chaos uses the same model therefore he can't be a toy therefore 2-C toy cast. As a supporting feat the toys can survive being mashed together by Eggman and was how Eggman would crush Sonic this time fr /j
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Yeah, that and the art was really good, as usual with ABT.Welcome back. And yeah I guess I was right. Surprisingly I didn't hate issue #86 even though you're correct that my worries came to fruition to some extent. Execution is everything I suppose
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Also that Sage IDW mini-arc is fine compared to other IDW arcs. Way less stuff to ***** about that isnt universal like IDW generally having lower scale in fights but that doesnt affect stories every time. In fact it might be one of better ones if we were to judge harsher IDW overall.
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One person took Sonic 06's leaked original script and started making lazy alterations and adding to Sonic Retro under the guise of "It helps to solve the series canonicity problems", but all they did was add a bunch of infinite timelines and dimensional levels statements to Solaris' battle dialogue (The file has both English and Japanese dialogue, so they lazily edited one or the other and badly each time I pointed a mistake).
They also edited a few of the old manuals to add things like "dimensional brane" to a few statements and stuff like that. They even went here to share it, even though we all could just look at the edit history of the page and see what they were doing.
MysticMania
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I'm glad it was checked.
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SG Shadow (more corporate oversight cuz it's a major project) feels less abrasive than recent IDW Shadow
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He feels reminiscent of his Adventure Era self, which is a great step in the right direction.
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Actually curious, what if we apply the Eclipse Cannon at 0.5% becoming City level (w/o instead having it an amount for the Earth to tank) and apply the same logic to the Final Egg Blaster?
I tried it myself and found it either becomes planet level (especially funny cause Emerl was already there) up to star level. Though if I did the math correctly is another story
Weirdly enough, and iirc, there was an official statement from one of the writers when a Shadow moment in IDW wasn't well received was that SoJ requested it be so. And it wasn't the Metal Virus scene
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That's what confuses me. I guess even some corporate supervisors have different ideas
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Another day, another overthinking the scaling.
TheStinkeer
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if this was referring to me then dw, I also think using the Eclipse Cannon percentage to discredit other percentages is pretty eh. I just wanted to see what would happen if it was considered
MysticMania
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I remember Shadow was going to have a sword in some pages from a recent issue, but it was cut sadly.
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I love the reasoning. "If Shadow were to use a sword, he'd go for the kill, which isnt needed for this" lol
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Pathetic ngl
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Based SoJ.
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speed sim update dropped, i'll get back to you guys in a bit
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I meant generally, really. Mainly cuz I didn't know the context.
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all of your arguments against silver and blaze being a duo is instantly negated by the fact that they're fun so therefore I am right, all of you are wrong, blah blah blah L + Ratio
oh also I'm back, was kinda taking a break from both powerscaling and sonic (so much toxicity literally everywhere)
oh also I'm back, was kinda taking a break from both powerscaling and sonic (so much toxicity literally everywhere)
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Honestly, fair enough. As cliche as it sounds, they really do make a fun pair. My only issue is that sometimes it feels like there should be a third person with them to make it a trio like so many other teams here...
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honestly whenever I think of a trio with silver and blaze my mind automatically puts marine there but like...she and silver have literally never met as far as I can remember. and I don't think espio would be on the team because he's already in team chaotix.
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Yeah, that's... kinda the hard part. I once saw somebody suggest Ariem based on that Sonic Channel update, go all in on "Team Dimensions" or whatever, but... has Ariem even been relevant since Dream Team released?
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isn't she like a niche mobile only character in a game locked behind a paywall? I guess she appeared in SRC but literally no one knows who she is except people who were
A. willing to pay for the game
B. watched playthroughs of the game by people in the prior category
A. willing to pay for the game
B. watched playthroughs of the game by people in the prior category
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and lets be so fr who is watching a 2+ hour playthrough of a game 90% of sonic fans have never heard of?
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Sonic's not a "Gary Stu", he's moreso a paragon, and that's the point of his character. He's supposed to be an ideal you aspire to be like, not someone you relate to. You root for him the same reasons you root for similar "paragon" like characters like Doraemon, Exkaiser, or Star Saber from Transformers Victory.
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There was always supposed to be a connection between Rush and 06, which is why they always make Silver and Blaze a duo. The usual theory is that Blaze at the end of Rush was sent to Silver's future through the Sol Dimension's space-time capabilities (hence the mentions of time travel in early descriptions for the Sol Emeralds capabilities), and everyone had amnesia (as Iizuka said, though axed dialogue for 06 showcases Blaze having vague familiarity with Sonic and Amy, but I don't know if equivalent cut lines exist in Japanese).
This planned connection that was never fully explored is the reason they always show up as a duo, though of course criticism against some of these creative decisions happened because well, you already know the answer.
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What;s the update?
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I dunno if "gary stu" is even proper term for the Sonic thing. Yes, he is one who inspires others and he himself is more static character. I mainly refer to fact that Sonic himself isnt really pushed to the limit that much, until recently I suppose. Regular Eggman is no problem to him. Its a certain portrayal that shows him as strong. I feel like Sonic struggles less than most protags. But it sorta is point of him.
Blaze Silver thing is awkward because they are a pair, except Blaze was never intended to be team mate for Silver in Rush. But thinking about, a lot of current teams are expanded. Sonic Tails Knuckles all debuted in different games. Big wasnt a team mate fir Amy and Cream. Omega was added to Shadow Rouge duo. Eggman created Metal and Sage later. Chaotix, Babylon Rogues and D6 are prolly only team who was invented from start.
But then again, if Blaze had more solo stuff, would pairing her with Silver be that bad?
Blaze Silver thing is awkward because they are a pair, except Blaze was never intended to be team mate for Silver in Rush. But thinking about, a lot of current teams are expanded. Sonic Tails Knuckles all debuted in different games. Big wasnt a team mate fir Amy and Cream. Omega was added to Shadow Rouge duo. Eggman created Metal and Sage later. Chaotix, Babylon Rogues and D6 are prolly only team who was invented from start.
But then again, if Blaze had more solo stuff, would pairing her with Silver be that bad?
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The way some people talk about Silver you would of thought he actually destroyed their entire bloodline and exists to latch onto Blaze
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I wanted to do some math because I was bored.
We know that 0.5% of the star-piercing power of the Eclipse Cannon is "only" enough to destroy a city.
What have I done? I tried to calc the difference between the Low-end of 7-B and that of 5-B and apply it as a multiplier to Earth's current durability.
Result? 4-B (about 60 GigaFoe)
We know that 0.5% of the star-piercing power of the Eclipse Cannon is "only" enough to destroy a city.
What have I done? I tried to calc the difference between the Low-end of 7-B and that of 5-B and apply it as a multiplier to Earth's current durability.
Result? 4-B (about 60 GigaFoe)
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Just wanted to talk about this video and made a comment in the section I wanted to share
I don't really agree with multiple parts of this video. For starters, I feel as if Fleetway Super Sonic doesn't exactly fit the bill of a traditional "Dark" form at all. In fact, whenever people try to do the Dark Form, they often make him super evil and chaotic for some reason. Despite the fact that Dark Sonic wasn't like that in X. In fact, it feels more like Fleetway than Dark Sonic. Fleetway ESPECIALLY doesn't fit Sonic's character and is in an even more egregious position if you want to talk about mischaracterization.
Then you have Werehog Sonic, which isn't the same either. Werehog Sonic is more of a forced mutation than something natural. For the most part, Sonic is the same. He feels angrier, but not by his own natural choice. Which brings me to Darkspine, which is similar in pipeline to Werehog. Darkspine feels those emotions from artifacts that represent the emotions he feels. It isn't exactly natural, either. It's more of the World Rings triggering this effect. Not to say that these forms are badly-done, by the way. I think both are cool, but not really a true dark form.
Then you have Dark Sonic, which is Sonic who is simply angry within the presence of chaos energy and we know that dark chaos energy does exist if we take an example from Perfect Chaos. In lore, it makes sense and is sound as a concept. I'll also say that people overhype the screentime argument. The screentime doesn't exactly matter. In fact, I think the less screentime this form has enhances the mystery and intrigue of the form. For its characterization, it isn't even bad. It makes sense given the context. I think the Japanese version does it better because I think in the Japanese iteration of Sonic X, Chris was actually stabbed or heavily implied to be so and the level of injury was extrapolated on more such as visible blood. In the English version, it was just a punch (due to censorship). It's why this scene doesn't hit as hard when watching it in English. It's why I think the scene makes more sense when watching the original material because unlike other times where Chris has a few scuffs, this was an ACTUAL injury that's a line not even Eggman crossed at least in Sonic X. It's a lot more personal, more distressful, and there was no Super Form to heal Chris's injury and Sonic couldn't get to him to do anything. Not to mention Cosmo, who prolly had to witness that and be unable to do anything and it was said she looked scared. I would be horrified, too. That's something that would make me want to put people on a T-shirt, too.
I don't think Sonic is this immutable character who has one or two notable traits and no extrapolation. I feel like that sentiment gets tossed around and people don't exactly understand Sonic too much. Sonic is a rather dynamic character personality-wise and has displayed a wide array of relatable emotions. He isn't this unrelated, perfect being who never makes mistakes or lapses in his resolve or what have you. He doesn't need to have drastic character development for the Rage Form trope to work. It actually works with Sonic as he's had showings of being mad or annoyed at people or showing some negative emotions. My favorite part of Sonic X, actually, is Sonic having a cool edge to him. He isn't this infallible super hero. Sonic is brash, impatient, has a temperament, can be lazy, reckless, and follows his own rules. That's what makes Sonic cool. Not just the shonen tropes.
I don't really agree with multiple parts of this video. For starters, I feel as if Fleetway Super Sonic doesn't exactly fit the bill of a traditional "Dark" form at all. In fact, whenever people try to do the Dark Form, they often make him super evil and chaotic for some reason. Despite the fact that Dark Sonic wasn't like that in X. In fact, it feels more like Fleetway than Dark Sonic. Fleetway ESPECIALLY doesn't fit Sonic's character and is in an even more egregious position if you want to talk about mischaracterization.
Then you have Werehog Sonic, which isn't the same either. Werehog Sonic is more of a forced mutation than something natural. For the most part, Sonic is the same. He feels angrier, but not by his own natural choice. Which brings me to Darkspine, which is similar in pipeline to Werehog. Darkspine feels those emotions from artifacts that represent the emotions he feels. It isn't exactly natural, either. It's more of the World Rings triggering this effect. Not to say that these forms are badly-done, by the way. I think both are cool, but not really a true dark form.
Then you have Dark Sonic, which is Sonic who is simply angry within the presence of chaos energy and we know that dark chaos energy does exist if we take an example from Perfect Chaos. In lore, it makes sense and is sound as a concept. I'll also say that people overhype the screentime argument. The screentime doesn't exactly matter. In fact, I think the less screentime this form has enhances the mystery and intrigue of the form. For its characterization, it isn't even bad. It makes sense given the context. I think the Japanese version does it better because I think in the Japanese iteration of Sonic X, Chris was actually stabbed or heavily implied to be so and the level of injury was extrapolated on more such as visible blood. In the English version, it was just a punch (due to censorship). It's why this scene doesn't hit as hard when watching it in English. It's why I think the scene makes more sense when watching the original material because unlike other times where Chris has a few scuffs, this was an ACTUAL injury that's a line not even Eggman crossed at least in Sonic X. It's a lot more personal, more distressful, and there was no Super Form to heal Chris's injury and Sonic couldn't get to him to do anything. Not to mention Cosmo, who prolly had to witness that and be unable to do anything and it was said she looked scared. I would be horrified, too. That's something that would make me want to put people on a T-shirt, too.
I don't think Sonic is this immutable character who has one or two notable traits and no extrapolation. I feel like that sentiment gets tossed around and people don't exactly understand Sonic too much. Sonic is a rather dynamic character personality-wise and has displayed a wide array of relatable emotions. He isn't this unrelated, perfect being who never makes mistakes or lapses in his resolve or what have you. He doesn't need to have drastic character development for the Rage Form trope to work. It actually works with Sonic as he's had showings of being mad or annoyed at people or showing some negative emotions. My favorite part of Sonic X, actually, is Sonic having a cool edge to him. He isn't this infallible super hero. Sonic is brash, impatient, has a temperament, can be lazy, reckless, and follows his own rules. That's what makes Sonic cool. Not just the shonen tropes.
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Thought you'd find interest in what I have to say about this, mayhaps.
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Juuuuuuuuuust gonna drop this here.
We have multiple instances of base characters surviving or damaging already accepted Low 1-C to 1-C characters (Void in Sonic Shuffle and Time Eater in Sonic Generations), and there's also base Sonic tanking attacks from the Titans who Ian Flynn compared to final bosses from previous games plus the Titans somewhat scale to Super Sonic and while vastly inferior to still fought The End. It seems kinda consistent that the base cast is in the same dimensional tier as at least the lower ends of Super Form power, which is even more consistent with base Modern Sonic already being accepted to surpass Adventure Super Sonic via Perfect Chaos scaling I think. Or as a compromise we can do "likely Low 1-C/1-C" or "possibly Low 1-C/1-C", I don't really care which specific tier they end up being.
There's also base Sonic and Knuckles surviving attacks from a casual Super Neo Metal Sonic and the base cast holding off Metal Madness in Heroes. Now, I'm by no means trying to say they scale to him because they don't, Super Neo was obviously holding back, but it still adds consistency that the base cast are on the same dimensional tier as lower end and casual Super Form tier characters. Also Infinite is stated stronger than all pre-Forces enemies and ends up being defeated by base Sonic and I know Infinite being above all previous Super Form level bosses is contentious but like with all these other instances I'm starting to buy it. Also we currently accept Sonic Speed Simulator characters as being their mainline counterparts for some reason and I am 99% certain Infinite fights Super Shadow so hey there's some consistency for him being Super Form level. Oh and Doom Shadow beating Metal Overlord tho that doesn't scale to the base cast but still. Oh and Sage blocking attacks from The End briefly which is already accepted.
Honestly the base cast being Low 1-C or even 1-C is kinda consistent I mean there’s like 6 feats come on. Like, is it really that ridiculous if it happens so often?
We have multiple instances of base characters surviving or damaging already accepted Low 1-C to 1-C characters (Void in Sonic Shuffle and Time Eater in Sonic Generations), and there's also base Sonic tanking attacks from the Titans who Ian Flynn compared to final bosses from previous games plus the Titans somewhat scale to Super Sonic and while vastly inferior to still fought The End. It seems kinda consistent that the base cast is in the same dimensional tier as at least the lower ends of Super Form power, which is even more consistent with base Modern Sonic already being accepted to surpass Adventure Super Sonic via Perfect Chaos scaling I think. Or as a compromise we can do "likely Low 1-C/1-C" or "possibly Low 1-C/1-C", I don't really care which specific tier they end up being.
There's also base Sonic and Knuckles surviving attacks from a casual Super Neo Metal Sonic and the base cast holding off Metal Madness in Heroes. Now, I'm by no means trying to say they scale to him because they don't, Super Neo was obviously holding back, but it still adds consistency that the base cast are on the same dimensional tier as lower end and casual Super Form tier characters. Also Infinite is stated stronger than all pre-Forces enemies and ends up being defeated by base Sonic and I know Infinite being above all previous Super Form level bosses is contentious but like with all these other instances I'm starting to buy it. Also we currently accept Sonic Speed Simulator characters as being their mainline counterparts for some reason and I am 99% certain Infinite fights Super Shadow so hey there's some consistency for him being Super Form level. Oh and Doom Shadow beating Metal Overlord tho that doesn't scale to the base cast but still. Oh and Sage blocking attacks from The End briefly which is already accepted.
Honestly the base cast being Low 1-C or even 1-C is kinda consistent I mean there’s like 6 feats come on. Like, is it really that ridiculous if it happens so often?
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honestly I just don't like dark sonic
he's a form that appeared once in a non-canon TV show and sliced up some robots that were allegedly on par with base sonic in that continiuty but like...he does nothing else? like seriously what was the point of that form? to show an angry sonic? even though there are way better examples of that in that very show...
he's a form that appeared once in a non-canon TV show and sliced up some robots that were allegedly on par with base sonic in that continiuty but like...he does nothing else? like seriously what was the point of that form? to show an angry sonic? even though there are way better examples of that in that very show...
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people can have their own opinions about him obviously but I really don't think he's as great as people make him out to be
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I wonder how Dark Sonic would have bern handled had Sega allowed Flynn to adapt the Metarex arc into IDW. Flynn had mentioned he had issues with the original arc, could that have been one of them?
Then again, I never saw that arc, so I have no horse in this race...
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