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Introduction
Hello, I would like to thank everyone who has participated in this wiki and everyone who has helped grow the Sonic section of the wiki. However, there has always been one rating that has bugged me, and I am making a CRT to hopefully bring discussion and soon change this rating. Please be mindful that this is my first CRT, and so all help is welcome. Without any further introduction, let's begin.
The Issue
Modern Sonic's Base Form Attack Potency is based on him surpassing his varied Super form, which has the power of 2-C (12 universes). This is because the Sol Emeralds, which are equivalent to the Chaos Emeralds, were causing Blaze's universe to merge with Sonic's, creating space-time distortions that would eventually lead to the destruction of both universes. These two universes are parallel macrocosms, each comprising 6 universes.
Debunking 2-C (6 Universes) Prime Macrocosm
However, I am here to debunk this, as all the evidence given to us shows that this "macrocosm" is either a low 1-C construct or simply just a Low 2-C construct. This is because the Sonic's cosmology page lists the "6th" universe as the Void, which contains and exists between the 5 shatterspaces.
If this Void is simply a 4D construct, then it should be continuous with all other 4D constructs and, in total, just be one really big universe with 5 different regions.
If it is one big universe, then it would simply be a low-2-C structure.
Likely Alternative Explanation of Low 1-C (5D) Prime Universe
HOWEVER, there is ample proof to suggest that the 5 shatterspaces are distinct parallel universes that are simply distorted versions of the original reality. If this is the case, then by proxy, these areas should NOT be considered regions but entire universes. But what does that make of the Void? Well, if the Void can contain parallel 4D structures and exist between universes, then the Void should be considered a 5D construct. That is because in geometry, in order to have two parallel planes, you must have a higher ambient space to contain them, and in this case, it would be the shatterspaces and the Void.
Broken down in a syllogism, it would be:
P1: Distinct parallel 4D universes cannot be externally separated within the same 4D continuum without collapsing into regions of one larger 4D universe.
P2: If distinct 4D universes are externally separated or contained by another space, that containing/separating space must possess an additional axis beyond the 4 dimensions of the universes themselves.
P3: The five Shatterspaces are distinct parallel universes, not merely regions of one shared universe.
P4: The Void contains and exists between the five Shatterspaces.
P5: Ergo, the Void possesses an additional axis beyond the 4D Shatterspaces.
C: Ergo, the Void is at least a 5D construct.
Addressing Counterpoints:
Objection #1:
Supporting evidence would be a Maginaryworld in which the 4D Space area contains all the 3D spaces. Thus, this shows visual continuity within the series when wanting to show higher-dimensional constructs.
Objection #2:
Reply: I am not proposing a new feat but simply upgrading (or downgrading) a previous one; it would not be an outlier, as it would simply explain all previous feats. For example, in Sonic Generations, Sonic is able to restore universes, dimensions, and timelines. If the universes are truly 5D, then this would be consistent with the aforementioned statements. TLDR: it's an upgrade, not a new feat, so if it was consistent before, it should be consistent now.
Supporting evidence is that Sonic was able to outmaneuver and tank attacks from Void, who is 5D and likely even existentially 5D. Granted, this may be ring hax. I am okay if one throws this supporting evidence out.
Objection #3:
Objection #4:
Also, Zomon's Sandwich solos your fav verse, no difficulty, and lowkey there should be a page for it.
TLDR;
The Prime universe macrocosm is either a Low 1-C (5D) construct, or it is a continuous Low 2-C universe, not a 2-C macrosom of 6 universes. The evidence suggests that the prime universe is actually a Low 1-C (5D) construct, and this explanation has the least amount of assumptions, so it should be upgraded to Low 1-C in addition to all characters who scale. Regardless, the 2-C (6 universes) rating must go.
Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:
Hello, I would like to thank everyone who has participated in this wiki and everyone who has helped grow the Sonic section of the wiki. However, there has always been one rating that has bugged me, and I am making a CRT to hopefully bring discussion and soon change this rating. Please be mindful that this is my first CRT, and so all help is welcome. Without any further introduction, let's begin.
The Issue
Modern Sonic's Base Form Attack Potency is based on him surpassing his varied Super form, which has the power of 2-C (12 universes). This is because the Sol Emeralds, which are equivalent to the Chaos Emeralds, were causing Blaze's universe to merge with Sonic's, creating space-time distortions that would eventually lead to the destruction of both universes. These two universes are parallel macrocosms, each comprising 6 universes.
Debunking 2-C (6 Universes) Prime Macrocosm
However, I am here to debunk this, as all the evidence given to us shows that this "macrocosm" is either a low 1-C construct or simply just a Low 2-C construct. This is because the Sonic's cosmology page lists the "6th" universe as the Void, which contains and exists between the 5 shatterspaces.
If this Void is simply a 4D construct, then it should be continuous with all other 4D constructs and, in total, just be one really big universe with 5 different regions.
If it is one big universe, then it would simply be a low-2-C structure.
Likely Alternative Explanation of Low 1-C (5D) Prime Universe
HOWEVER, there is ample proof to suggest that the 5 shatterspaces are distinct parallel universes that are simply distorted versions of the original reality. If this is the case, then by proxy, these areas should NOT be considered regions but entire universes. But what does that make of the Void? Well, if the Void can contain parallel 4D structures and exist between universes, then the Void should be considered a 5D construct. That is because in geometry, in order to have two parallel planes, you must have a higher ambient space to contain them, and in this case, it would be the shatterspaces and the Void.
Broken down in a syllogism, it would be:
P1: Distinct parallel 4D universes cannot be externally separated within the same 4D continuum without collapsing into regions of one larger 4D universe.
P2: If distinct 4D universes are externally separated or contained by another space, that containing/separating space must possess an additional axis beyond the 4 dimensions of the universes themselves.
P3: The five Shatterspaces are distinct parallel universes, not merely regions of one shared universe.
P4: The Void contains and exists between the five Shatterspaces.
P5: Ergo, the Void possesses an additional axis beyond the 4D Shatterspaces.
C: Ergo, the Void is at least a 5D construct.
Addressing Counterpoints:
Objection #1:
Reply: This is true; however, these universes are called parallel whilst being contained within the void. If the void is simply just 4D, then it would be continuous with all the shatterspaces and thus would only be 1 universe; however, these regions are called universes and even a multiverse, and so these 5 universes must exist in a higher ambient space to truly be separate universes. Given all the evidence suggesting these areas are truly separate universes, the best explanation with the least amount of assumptions is to say the void is 5D.
Supporting evidence would be a Maginaryworld in which the 4D Space area contains all the 3D spaces. Thus, this shows visual continuity within the series when wanting to show higher-dimensional constructs.
Objection #2:
Reply: I am not proposing a new feat but simply upgrading (or downgrading) a previous one; it would not be an outlier, as it would simply explain all previous feats. For example, in Sonic Generations, Sonic is able to restore universes, dimensions, and timelines. If the universes are truly 5D, then this would be consistent with the aforementioned statements. TLDR: it's an upgrade, not a new feat, so if it was consistent before, it should be consistent now.
Supporting evidence is that Sonic was able to outmaneuver and tank attacks from Void, who is 5D and likely even existentially 5D. Granted, this may be ring hax. I am okay if one throws this supporting evidence out.
Objection #3:
Reply: If the argument is sound, then its implications should be accepted. If this line of reasoning would suggest making an exception or even the Egg Field 6D, then truth matters, and thus they should be upgraded as well. Now, if these other structures do not meet those requirements, they should obviously not be upgraded. The issue is not whether the conclusion has broader consequences, but whether the reasoning and evidence are valid in each specific case.
Objection #4:
Again, if the argument is sound, then its implications should be accepted. Cute and seemingly harmless characters within verse may be a menace cross-verse. We already have Cream at 4D based on the same reasoning. All we are doing is upgrading a feat; if she scaled before, then she would obviously scale after.
TLDR;
The Prime universe macrocosm is either a Low 1-C (5D) construct, or it is a continuous Low 2-C universe, not a 2-C macrosom of 6 universes. The evidence suggests that the prime universe is actually a Low 1-C (5D) construct, and this explanation has the least amount of assumptions, so it should be upgraded to Low 1-C in addition to all characters who scale. Regardless, the 2-C (6 universes) rating must go.
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Neutral:
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