5-C The Moon Rampage Tier setter Tournament (2026): Asta vs Zeshia Bianca NEED VOTES !!! (Debate concluded)

DemonicDude · Apr 7, 2026

Tournament Main Thread
GROUP A

Vs

Keys: 5-C
Speed: Equalized speed in all matches
Distance: 4 km SBA
Win:
- Win via killing
- or if opponent proceed to give up/exit tournament.
Knowledge: Random encounters, No prior knowledge to anybody
Equipment: Only standard Equipments allowed
Group A:
Winner: 2 points
Loser: 0 Points
Incon: Coin flip winner advances 1 points
Location: Via SBA, Black Rock Desert, Nevada, USA. with rocks and stones hills

Character	Votes
Asta Land of the Sun Arc key or higher key if lower key if current get's stomped to put up somewhat of a challenge.	1 (speedster)
Zeshia Bianca	6 (Kazuma, Demonic, Dark, Tatsumi, Anonymous_Learner, Apple maker)
Incon

Dark_Soul20189 · Apr 7, 2026

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DemonicDude · Apr 7, 2026

Zeshia previous thread for full reference

5-C The Moon Rampage Tier setter Tournament (2026): Zeshia Bianca vs Gerson Boom (Deltarun) |(Match DECLARED STOMPED after lengthy debate)

Tournament Main Thread GROUP A Vs Keys: 5-C Speed: Equalized speed in all matches Distance: 4 km SBA Win: Win via killing ⚰️ or if opponent proceed to give up/exit tournament. Knowledge: Random encounters, No prior knowledge to anybody Equipment: Only standard Equipments allowed Group A...

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Tatsumi504 · Apr 7, 2026

"I've been praying for this day" is what I'd like to say but I had other swordsmen in mind before Zeshia, both profiles are outdated and the only BC supporter that seems to still be active is Kazuma.

Right off the bat I'd like to say that due to the source of Asta's power being a devil, Zeshia's holy magic is going to be hitting him harder than normal. His anti-magic also most likely cannot null magic power here and should we agree for the sake of argument that it can, she resists power null so Asta's gonna have to rely on pure skill and stats for this one.

Is Asta starting in base, black asta or partial devil union?

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

Tatsumi504 said:
Kazuma.

I am just debating things that are not explained, I am not gonna defend Asta fully nor vote for him when he is outdated

Also, Mommyleona and xinsignia exist (and other users but I don't remember all right now) but they don't participate in fights I guess because right now the stats are just bad and all are fixing the pages, me as well

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

Tatsumi504 said:
Is Asta starting in base,

This

And you should explain why his antimagic can't work, also, depending of what happens, Asta could be fighting Yuno who has Holy status as a spirit user and if he is tanking his attacks, then the argument is moot, Lucifero for example has no weakness to holy even when he is a devil, but like everything,"outdated"

speedster352 · Apr 7, 2026

If he starts off with Zetten, he can win this. If he is in devil union, the anti-magic aura should negate the holy magic it has layered powernull. Again, can someone tell me what Asta's first move is in this key? From what I can remember, he started with a zetten slash against the stronger characters like the 5 headed dragon.

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

speedster352 said:
Again, can someone tell me what Asta's first move is in this key? From what I can remember, he started with a zetten slash against the stronger characters like the 5 headed dragon.

He should start with a zetten or at least a basic attack then zetten, he just learned that and is his go to basically after finding an opening

speedster352 · Apr 7, 2026

So does the character have a counter to a ranged attack that is 20x stronger than Asta's AP?

Tatsumi504 · Apr 7, 2026

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Also, Mommyleona and xinsignia exist (and other users but I don't remember all right now) but they don't participate in fights I guess because right now the stats are just bad and all are fixing the pages, me as well

I mean they are active but when I mention BC supporters, the first person to come to mind is of course @Arnoldstone18 and I haven't seen him in forever

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
This

@DemonicDude @speedster352 we need an answer to this

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
And you should explain why his antimagic can't work, also, depending of what happens, Asta could be fighting Yuno who has Holy status as a spirit user and if he is tanking his attacks, then the argument is moot, Lucifero for example has no weakness to holy even when he is a devil, but like everything,"outdated"

Because though the energy system is similar, magic power in MG is a lot more fundamental that magic power and mana in BC. To say the least, it is conceptual. Anti-magic will need feats of nullifying something that fundamental in nature.

It's less about weaknesses and more about Zeshia's holy magic boasting greater effectiveness against those kinds of powers.

Dark_Soul20189 · Apr 7, 2026

Tatsumi504 said:
Because though the energy system is similar, magic power in MG is a lot more fundamental that magic power and mana in BC. To say the least, it is conceptual. Anti-magic will need feats of nullifying something that fundamental in nature.

It exists.... Just not on the profiles...

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

Tatsumi504 said:
@DemonicDude @speedster352 we need an answer to this

I was saying that Asta starts in base

And what Dark said, Asta and the series has conceptual hax but not on the profile, he nulled conceptual magical flames type 3 at least so do what you want with that info

Tatsumi504 · Apr 7, 2026

speedster352 said:
So does the character have a counter to a ranged attack that is 20x stronger than Asta's AP?

Given that this is land of the sun arc Asta, if he starts at 5-C then that means he's starting off in partial devil union at 35.64 Exatons and his zetten is 712.9 Exatons. Zeshia scales above 216.9 Exatons and that's doubled with her holy sword. Zetten's AP increase isn't something she need to be worried about.
Edit: Scratch that it's not doubled with the sword, just higher

speedster352 said:
If he starts off with Zetten, he can win this. If he is in devil union, the anti-magic aura should negate the holy magic it has layered powernull. Again, can someone tell me what Asta's first move is in this key? From what I can remember, he started with a zetten slash against the stronger characters like the 5 headed dragon.

Resists power null including the kind that erases said energy in a similar manner to anti-magic. Asta uses zetten when he sees an opening so it's not something he spams (throws around willy nilly. I know it's spammable) and Zeshia can easily tell when he's going to use it by seeing the build up of energy.

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

Tatsumi504 said:
by seeing the build up of energy.

The build up of energy is extremely fast and is with antimagic that she probably needs to sense and is different than sensing magic

Tatsumi504 said:
Resists power null including the kind that erases said energy in a similar manner to anti-magic

Body Puppetry, Paralysis Inducement, Curse Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Power Nullification (Can resist the effects of compulsion magic.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_1_Chapter_2-41">[41]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_2_Chapter_27-42">[42]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_4_Chapter_38-43">[43]</a> By adding magic power to their words, users can inflict those who hear them with a verbal curse forcing them to obey the words of the caster. Compulsion magic users can curse others, paralyze them, seal their magic and movement simply by telling them not to move or control them by giving a verbal command)

This? This is magical power null, Asta does not operate in a magical power null system, if is another type, tell me

Also, I am reading her durability in her first key and I only see "Moon level via <Aske>, higher with <Enharle>" and with Aske in attack potency, she is 36 exatons, so her durability is not equal to his AP, because enharle is x2 and clearly 36 x 2 is not 216

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

Wait a moment, are you using second key?

Mid godly?

Yeah, I am not debating anymore there, good luck

Edit: You change something and now I understand you are not using second key, so ignore this

speedster352 · Apr 7, 2026

Tatsumi504 said:
Given that this is land of the sun arc Asta, if he starts at 5-C then that means he's starting off in partial devil union at 35.64 Exatons and his zetten is 712.9 Exatons. Zeshia scales above 216.9 Exatons and that's doubled with her holy sword. Zetten's AP increase isn't something she need to be worried about.
Edit: Scratch that it's not doubled with the sword, just higher

Resists power null including the kind that erases said energy in a similar manner to anti-magic. Asta uses zetten when he sees an opening so it's not something he spams (throws around willy nilly. I know it's spammable) and Zeshia can easily tell when he's going to use it by seeing the build up of energy.

The op said if he is having trouble, his higher key can be used. Could you show the accepted layers for your character? Because Devil Union Asta should have more layers afaik it works passively on characters that can resist powenull. And if anything, he can use the third sword to remove the effects of the magic. In the higher key, he should have the advantage, and even if you say zetten wouldn't one-shot, it would still injure the characther and Asta is very skillful in close-quarter combat escpcially with his analytical skills and speed amps.

speedster352 · Apr 7, 2026

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Wait a moment, are you using second key?

Mid godly?

Yeah, I am not debating anymore there, good luck

Edit: You change something and now I understand you are not using second key, so ignore this

The character had this type of immortality the whole time? I guess maybe Asta could knock her out ot try to outlast even then his higher key should be used here.

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

speedster352 said:
The character had this type of immortality the whole time? I guess maybe Asta could knock her out ot try to outlast even then his higher key should be used here.

No, read again, she only has that in the second key and because there was a mistake, I believed that was the key being used

Is Zeshia first key only, so no mid godly

speedster352 · Apr 7, 2026

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
No, read again, she only has that in the second key and because there was a mistake, I believed that was the key being used

Is Zeshia first key only, so no mid godly

Okay, so we are back to the previous arguments, does Asta have any wincons here apart from Zetten?

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

speedster352 said:
Okay, so we are back to the previous arguments, does Asta have any wincons here apart from Zetten?

You should give the arguments, is your character afterall umu

speedster352 · Apr 7, 2026

speedster352 said:
The op said if he is having trouble, his higher key can be used. Could you show the accepted layers for your character? Because Devil Union Asta should have more layers afaik it works passively on characters that can resist powenull. And if anything, he can use the third sword to remove the effects of the magic. In the higher key, he should have the advantage, and even if you say zetten wouldn't one-shot, it would still injure the characther and Asta is very skillful in close-quarter combat escpcially with his analytical skills and speed amps.

Here are my arguments so far

Tatsumi504 · Apr 7, 2026

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
The build up of energy is extremely fast and is with antimagic that she probably needs to sense and is different than sensing magic

Body Puppetry, Paralysis Inducement, Curse Manipulation, Mind Manipulation & Power Nullification (Can resist the effects of compulsion magic.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_1_Chapter_2-41">[41]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_2_Chapter_27-42">[42]</a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_4_Chapter_38-43">[43]</a> By adding magic power to their words, users can inflict those who hear them with a verbal curse forcing them to obey the words of the caster. Compulsion magic users can curse others, paralyze them, seal their magic and movement simply by telling them not to move or control them by giving a verbal command)

This? This is magical power null, Asta does not operate in a magical power null system, if is another type, tell me

Nvm, that's not it. I was talking about destroying magic power directly

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Also, I am reading her durability in her first key and I only see "Moon level via <Aske>, higher with <Enharle>" and with Aske in attack potency, she is 36 exatons, so her durability is not equal to his AP, because enharle is x2 and clearly 36 x 2 is not 216

No, I am using second key. She's 216.9 Exatons and higher with her weapon

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Wait a moment, are you using second key?

Mid godly?

Yeah, I am not debating anymore there, good luck

Edit: You change something and now I understand you are not using second key, so ignore this

Uh. no mid-godly. 1st key= Academy of Heroes. 2nd key= Great Spirit Arc. 3rd key= Selection Trial Arc. The key with the mid-godly is the 3rd one

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

Tatsumi504 said:
No, I am using second key. She's 216.9 Exatons and higher with her weapon

She gets no new powers in the second key then?

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 7, 2026

Resistance to Mind Manipulation & Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3;

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lilith_(Black_Clover) Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3; can freeze and affect concepts),

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Morris_Libardirt#Devil_Host Conceptual Manipulation with Devil Power (Likely Type 3 - Devil Power evolved Morris' Magic to the point where he is capable of affecting concepts. could interfere with Rouge, the thread of Fate itself, preventing it from altering the events. Rewrote the principle of the tree of Qliphoth, changing its requirements)

If your character only has conceptual manipulation reaching type 3, even outdated Asta can null this 2 characters,

Magic & Non-Physical Interaction (Magic is capable of interacting with and directly harming elemental beings made of Lightning, Wind, Fire, Light, Water.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_2_Chapter_19-18">[18]</a> Can interact with and harm Spirits which are beings formed from rumors, folklore, legends, fears, beliefs, aspirations of others - Information.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-23">[23]</a> Can harm Gods who are Order, the laws, fate, providence of the world that that makes the world what it is – Fate, Concepts & Laws.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_4_Chapter_6-24">[24]</a> Can interact with and harm the source which is the fundamental concept of existence<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Zeshia_Bianca#cite_note-Light_Novel_Volume_1_Chapter_26-25">[</a>

Asta can null elemental beings, can null spirit (ignore this, spirits in black clover are mor elemental than information), interact with laws, concepts, fate and Mana seems to be like the source, which is in the soul but is not the soul itself, and she has no resistance to power null other that what I posted and your "destroying magic power directly" is not the same as antimagic, antimagic nulls, not destroy

speedster352 · Apr 8, 2026

My vote is going to Asta because of zetten, stronger negation and higher Ap.

DemonicDude · Apr 8, 2026

well, Uers need to establish the "layers of resistanc". If Zeshia’s resistance to power null is layered higher than Asta’s anti-magic potency, his primary win-con (nullifying her spells) fails. If not, Asta can strip her of her ranged advantages.

JustANormalLemon · Apr 8, 2026

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Tatsumi504 · Apr 8, 2026

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
She gets no new powers in the second key then?

None

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lilith_(Black_Clover) Limited Conceptual Manipulation (Type 3; can freeze and affect concepts),

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Morris_Libardirt#Devil_Host Conceptual Manipulation with Devil Power (Likely Type 3 - Devil Power evolved Morris' Magic to the point where he is capable of affecting concepts. could interfere with Rouge, the thread of Fate itself, preventing it from altering the events. Rewrote the principle of the tree of Qliphoth, changing its requirements)

If your character only has conceptual manipulation reaching type 3, even outdated Asta can null this 2 characters

These are feats of NPI, magic power for Zeshia forms concepts that stems from something more fundamental that's the foundation of type 1 concepts, laws, fate etc.

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Mana seems to be like the source, which is in the soul but is not the soul itself

The source is one's fundamental concept of existence, it is the soul, the psyche but something much deeper than that. Asta has no mana in BC but to Zeshia, he'll have magic power because he exists and is alive. He'll just have too little of it and would be unable to use magic or control said magic power.

“The three things she needs to be born properly can be created through Eleonore magic as an artificial source. The source goes without saying, but the body and heart are made of magic power too.”
“Oh, I see. When I normally use Aske on myself, I’m creating an artificial source that only has a heart.”
“In other words, within Forslonarleaf, those yellow flames would be equivalent to the soul with no body.”
Eleonore nodded in understanding and held up her index finger. “The artificial sources used to hold the Sky Pillar Sword in the underground world only had a body, so they would be the vessels with no magic. And an artificial source with only magic power would be a doll with no heart?”

“Magic power, a heart, and a body,” I listed. “Why do you normally duplicate artificial sources with only one or two of these factors?”
“Well, if I made an artificial source with all three, it’d become sentient life—”

“Even with magic, there was nothing the doctor could do. I prayed every day asking for Anos to be born safely. I promised to raise him lovingly, no matter what.”

“What happened then?” Sasha asked.

“Anos’s heart stopped,” mom replied. “The doctor told us he’d died. But I couldn’t give up, so I prayed even harder for anyone, good or evil, to save my baby. Then, his heart started beating again.”

If we were to be absolutely precise, the child mom conceived had died. Or perhaps it was more accurate to say that it had never lived to begin with. The doctor’s diagnosis had been correct. Mom’s body was incapable of bearing a child, and that child had never had a source to begin with.

Only a body had existed within mom’s stomach, and that body had been destined to die before it was born. However, my reincarnation into that existing vessel had brought it back to life.

Under the light of the Moon of Creation, all life gained magic at the core of its being. This created the origin and foundation of all life—the source

“Sources reincarnate, life cycles renew. But this doesn’t happen in perpetuity. Sources should glow brighter the closer they approach ruin. Even if their current life was full of sadness, as long as the next life glows with more joy, the balance between fortune and misfortune will be maintained,” Misha said, staring into my eyes. “If it didn’t end in sadness... If there was hope for the next life even after so many repeats, there would still be salvation in this world.”
She paused and looked down in silence for a moment. Then, she said coldly, “The total latent magic power of this world is in constant decline.”
Hmm. Total latent power?
“Demons and humans, magic artifacts, demon swords, holy swords—everything that possesses magic, added together?” I asked.
Misha quietly nodded. “Magic doesn’t cycle through perfectly. As life reincarnates, magic spills here and there, eventually vanishing completely.”
If the total magic of the world was gradually decreasing, then that would mean there was life that couldn’t cycle through and reincarnate. Some lives may lose their magic power like my father, Ceris Voldigoad. And once they ran out of magic, their source itself would vanish.

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
and she has no resistance to power null other that what I posted and your "destroying magic power directly" is not the same as antimagic, antimagic nulls, not destroy

she does have resistance, the other types of power null just aren't listed.

The effect achieved by anti-magic is still the same. Anti-magic simply put is the antithesis to magic power in BC. If magic power is positive, anti-magic is negative and cancels out magic power nullifying/destroying/erasing it. This is why sometimes he cannot entirely nullify another persons magic as the amount of anti-magic the swords are releasing isn't enough to cancel out the opponents magic power.

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 8, 2026

Tatsumi504 said:
Asta has no mana in BC but to Zeshia, he'll have magic power because he exists and is alive. He'll just have too little of it and would be unable to use magic or control said magic power.

This literally contradicts Asta whole existence, if you literally are equalizing verses, and give Asta magic power for reasons of your verse, you have to accept antimagic nullifying her, you are saying "she has resistance but not in the profile" while I am not using anything related to updated Asta

Gaja used his own life force to fight and was gonna die, but not for using all of his mana, having mana is not making people alive in BC

This is like saying a fullbringer can manipulate the souls of the weapons of another guy in one piece because in bleach, objects has souls, that is related to his verse, not a crossverse fight, even worse when Asta has hax for literally not having mana and you are now giving him that, is simply not possible

Also, why now Asta needs to literally negate every aspect of the magic instead of said magic system being able to resist antimagic as a whole? Asta has one layer accepted right now in devil union, and again outdated Asta, all the fights with Asta are the same, "no, he can't negate this because it has one difference" instead of you asking if your character can do anything against a power null, magic in BC has progressively become stronger and more haxxed and Asta never had any problem negating that, only if the opponent was stronger

FInally, her magic is conceptual type 1? Her page does not says Anything about her having conceptual manipulation[Only a resistance and is type 3, the same type Asta has interacted and is accepted on BC profiles for now], only that her magic can interact with concepts, same with Asta, right now, Asta nulls her and she has no resistance to causality manipulation either, if you disagree, change her profile

DemonicDude · Apr 8, 2026

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
FInally, her magic is conceptual type 1? Her page does not says Anything about her having conceptual manipulation, only that her magic can interact with concepts, same with Asta, right now, Asta nulls her and she has no resistance to causality manipulation either, if you disagree, change her profile

only what is currently on the profile will be uses for both Asta and Zeshia. Whichever key both party is using.

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 8, 2026

I vote Zeshia so Asta loses the tournament and I can stop debating

DemonicDude · Apr 8, 2026

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
I vote Zeshia so Asta loses the tournament and I can stop debating

Asta would will have 1 more match left after this

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 8, 2026

DemonicDude said:
Asta would will have 1 more match left after this

The other fight is literally Asta negating everything Gerson has because he resist literally everything he can do

DemonicDude · Apr 8, 2026

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
The other fight is literally Asta negating everything Gerson has because he resist literally everything he can do

Stomp thread.
Asta get's 2 points for that then.

DemonicDude · Apr 8, 2026

mannn taking Asta in this tournament kinda ruined it

Speedster should forfeit.

DemonicDude · Apr 8, 2026

infact I forefit as Slapback too.

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 8, 2026

DemonicDude said:
Stomp thread.
Asta get's 2 points for that then.

You can do the thread if you want but : All of the Darkners' attacks consist of magical attacks where they create different types of bullets or things that help them face

Asta has an antimagic skin, or simply an aura that negs that, no attack of Gerson can reach him= what he can even do, maybe let the deltarune fans give their opinion if anything but from my eyes, is the easiest fight ever

DemonicDude · Apr 8, 2026

Is this match fully a stomp ? can I move forward.

Kazuma_kuwabara · Apr 8, 2026

DemonicDude said:
Is this match fully a stomp ? can I move forward.

I am here just to debate for Asta but I am not gonna vote him, we did not debate about skill for example or what the girl can do to damage him, no speed debate if Asta starts getting faster via transformations and his reactive power level, what if Asta can copy her sword style, etc

DemonicDude · Apr 8, 2026

I plan doing this tournament was this version is over I have found the best character I can for the tier setter.

Right now I will let this current match go on and see what happens.

5-C The Moon Rampage Tier setter Tournament (2026): Asta vs Zeshia Bianca NEED VOTES !!! (Debate concluded)

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