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Improving magic abilities in frieren

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Hello there! I hope you're doing well. I've noticed that the magic ability profile for Sousou No Frieren is not only incomplete but also outdated. This has led to some inconsistencies and gaps in understanding the magical system in the series.

To provide a more accurate and comprehensive view, I propose transitioning from the old model, which can be found here:
Old Magic Profile

To a newer, more detailed version that offers better insight into the intricacies of the magic in Frieren: Beyond Journey's End:
New Magic Profile
 
Slight concern that the gif of Fern may trigger photosensitive epilepsy.

Goddess Magic may be worthy of up to Low-Mid, given Methode could heal Stark & Genau after they'd been pierced through the abdomen.
 
Well, instead of Summoning, it should be Weapon Control for summoning one’s staff. Here is a scan from Chapter 9 you can use

The Flight and Telekinesis could used some more justification as to differentiate between humans and monsters/monsters (as both demon and human mages are linked to this Standard Magical Abilities), something like “Demons and Monsters used to rule the skies, but as of recent times, humanity has learned and copy the magical techniques from the Demons, however due to not fully understanding how it works, their prowess is limited in comparison, only able to lift something larger than them for a short period of time” Here is the scan from Chapter 30

Couldn’t Extrasensory Perception more justification? Don’t Mages uses their mana detection for more stuff than sensing other’s mana such as prediction, gauging how strong one is, intention, how many people are there, etc…

And there doesn’t seem to be scans or references for the Subjective Reality
 
I've added a scan to explain the reason for Subjective Reality.
Slight concern that the gif of Fern may trigger photosensitive epilepsy.
I fixed it.
Goddess Magic may be worthy of up to Low-Mid, given Methode could heal Stark & Genau after they'd been pierced through the abdomen.
Do you have a scan of that feat?
Don't think Frieren's "Apex of Magic" should be listed under the uses
Why do you think so? Some magic users from the empire have access to techniques similar to Frieren's "Apex of Magic".
 
Here are some stuff for Extrasensory Perception (Chapters is in the link)
Flight Magic
I think the space-time awareness of the demon race is definitely Cosmic Awareness. However, I am not sure if humans can have the same level of awareness as the demon race. Maybe I should put Cosmic Awareness only on the demon race?
 
I believe it'd only apply to the Demon King, and demons like Zart who have space-time magic, rather than demons as a whole.
I think so too. This achievement should be more of an individual achievement than something that can be put on a page explaining the power of verse.
We may add Enhanced Senses and Resistance to Perception Manipulation.

From the additional information I've received from everyone, does that mana check at least give us the Extrasensory Perception & Information Analysis ability, as well as Divination?
 
It's "a powerful application of basic magic" but it's not exactly a typical part of every mage's kit like basic offensive and defensive magic, and these are only sorta similar, I don't believe a direct comparison is ever drawn.
I've broken that down into a paragraph to show that only those who have reached the peak of their magic can reach this point, like Advanced curse and Immense faith in the goddess.
 
From the additional information I've received from everyone, does that mana check at least give us the Extrasensory Perception & Information Analysis ability, as well as Divination?
Yes, so I believe so

Here is a scan for those with Mana Detection to sense when others are having trouble. Apparently, any mage with skills can specifically locate Fern despite being blended with disorderly amount of mana

You can also have for skilled mages to get Information Analysis and Power Nullification for being able to analyze spells and create a demystification spell to cancel it
 
I have edited and added all the achievements that should be added, please check them out.
 
Are we just listing universal abilities?

Because if we are, a few things listed shouldn't be there because they're unique to a select few. But if we're listing everything then we're missing like 95% of the shit magic can do so....

What's the goal here?
 
The ability to use magic, curses, or the divine magic of goddesses, as well as powers stemming from a warrior's determination, serves as a fundamental aspect that many characters in the verse can access if they possess such capabilities. For instance, every priest can utilize divine magic granted by goddesses, which implies they should have basic proficiency in goddess magic (excluding advanced abilities that require a high level of faith). This system allows us to avoid redundant descriptions in character profiles by repeatedly listing the same abilities across multiple characters. Instead, we can simply link them to the verse's power explanation profile, which is sufficient.
 
Aside from that everything seems fine, I have no comment on the layers, since I don't know the verse. For future reference, when you add abilities to a page, you have to list all the new abilities down in the CRT itself. That way people can separate what is new and being added, and what is old and already accepted.
 
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This isn't Reactive Evolution. Also, the dispelling stuff doesn't even combat applicable considering she needed to analyze memories. Has anyone else in the verse shown to be able to dispel curses by studying for a couple of seconds?
She has, that's just a ludicrous example because it was a spell that defied logic, laws and all known magic principles and nobody on earth could analyze it except her. Shes been shown to analyze stuff in seconds or mid combat before to copy or negate it, I can grab an example later.

Though Frieren isn't standard, she excels in that. Most mages wouldnt be able to do so.

Nothing is accelerated here, this is just normal training.
Some do, Fern for example did what most skilled mages would take over a decade to pull off in like a year. But again, she's a prodigy, not normal.

This wouldn't grant resistance to Power Mimicry, since this is a verse-specific case. They can't copy it because they don't understand it, since understanding in a requirement of the verses magic. But some verses can copy things even if they can't comprehend them.
It likely would for some, they yap about how it defies all logic, and characters with info analyse cant analyze it.
(Theres spells that actively analyze shit too).
Ubel is a in uni case of being able to copy stuff without understanding it so yeah.
Although noticing you only said mimicry not info anal so nvm.

haven't watched or read Frieren yet, but from what I know doesn't she have tons of experience, and is like an exception? I don't think her feats, unless stated to apply to mages or magic in general should be used.
She is an exception but any mage can in theory copy anything if they know the principles behind it, we'e seen it happen, though mana cost is also an issue. Tbh really this is more just "yo you learned a new spell". Idk if we'd list that outside of Ubel, Frieren, Sol who can just straight up steal shit.
Not Resistance from what I can tell
Zoltraak was able to neg magic defenses entirely, they then spent decades formulating a defense that could protect from Zoltraak's magic piercing qualities.

So it's like
Modern > Zol > Everything prior.
Not an AP thing btw, it pierces via hax (otherwise Id disagree, a stronger forcefield aint layered).

Tbh this goes back to if this page is supposed to be standard abilities or magic as a whole. If it's standard, there's stuff there that shouldnt be, but if it's everything we're missing like a hundred abilities at minimum
 
She has, that's just a ludicrous example because it was a spell that defied logic, laws and all known magic principles and nobody on earth could analyze it except her. Shes been shown to analyze stuff in seconds or mid combat before to copy or negate it, I can grab an example later.
Well, in that case, it should be limited to Frieren's profile.
Some do, Fern for example did what most skilled mages would take over a decade to pull off in like a year. But again, she's a prodigy, not normal.
Yeah, then it should probably be given to specific profiles who are above average, not universal.
It likely would for some, they yap about how it defies all logic, and characters with info analyse cant analyze it.
(Theres spells that actively analyze shit too).
Ubel is a in uni case of being able to copy stuff without understanding it so yeah.
Although noticing you only said mimicry not info anal so nvm.
Yeah, the resistance to Info Analysis is fine, and it might work against Power Mimicry which requires understanding. But it would be limited in that case, since some power mimicry is just, hax.
She is an exception but any mage can in theory copy anything if they know the principles behind it, we'e seen it happen, though mana cost is also an issue. Tbh really this is more just "yo you learned a new spell". Idk if we'd list that outside of Ubel, Frieren, Sol who can just straight up steal shit.
Alright, I'm neutral on this then.
Zoltraak was able to neg magic defenses entirely, they then spent decades formulating a defense that could protect from Zoltraak's magic piercing qualities.

So it's like
Modern > Zol > Everything prior.
Not an AP thing btw, it pierces via hax (otherwise Id disagree, a stronger forcefield aint layered).

Tbh this goes back to if this page is supposed to be standard abilities or magic as a whole. If it's standard, there's stuff there that shouldnt be, but if it's everything we're missing like a hundred abilities at minimum
I mean, I guess if it was made to be extra resistant/protective to certain magic that counts.
 
There's just too many abilities which are specific to some characters listed in this page. It's supposed to be "abilities which all mages/demons/priests have", not "all abilities displayed by mages/demons/priests".

Change Divination to Analytical Prediction, and remove this:
Everything here is not a general mage ability. It's seems to be all Frieren (and a touch of Fern).

Not all demonic magic is a curse, and curses don't have enough abilities to get their own part of a page imho. Save it for a potential Demon Physiology page.

The only universal Priest abilities are holy manip and resistance to curses. We don't know about Priest training, and Goddess Magic requires a holy scripture to use, so who's to say all Priests can cast Three Spears of the Goddess (as an example)?
 
Not Resistance from what I can tell.
As Chariot190 stated, Zoltraak can pierce through all types of defensive magic, and defensive magic was later developed to counter Zoltraak.
Not seeing Information Analysis.
I deleted it.
This isn't Reactive Evolution. Also, the dispelling stuff doesn't even seem combat applicable considering she needed to analyze memories. Has anyone else in the verse shown to be able to dispel curses by studying for a couple of seconds?
I removed Reactive Evolution, but I don't think this won't work in battle. Methode has already shown that he can dissipate Nebeladora's mist. After successfully analyzing the mist.
I haven't watched or read Frieren yet, but from what I know doesn't she have tons of experience, and is like an exception? I don't think her feats, unless stated to apply to mages or magic in general should be used.
As Chariot190 said, in theory a magic user could copy another's spell if he understood it.
Everything here is not a general mage ability. It's seems to be all Frieren (and a touch of Fern).
It's not just Frieren or Fern who can do some of these, there are also other character achievements in the scan section, such as analyzing and dispelling Methode's magic.
Not all demonic magic is a curse, and curses don't have enough abilities to get their own part of a page imho. Save it for a potential Demon Physiology page.
Sometimes, they refer to curses as the "Seven Sages' Spell" or something like that, but that's okay. I think removing the curse page might be better, as it currently seems to only include the ability to induce status effects.
The only universal Priest abilities are holy manip and resistance to curses. We don't know about Priest training, and Goddess Magic requires a holy scripture to use, so who's to say all Priests can cast Three Spears of the Goddess (as an example)?
Even a young Heiter could use the "Three Spears of the Goddess".
 
It's not just Frieren or Fern who can do some of these, there are also other character achievements in the scan section, such as analyzing and dispelling Methode's magic.
Methode is still a First-Class Mage. How many Mages, or even First-Class Mages, would know Erilfrachte?

Heiter is the Priest of the Hero Party that slayed the Demon King. He's the greatest Priest in history.
 
Methode is still a First-Class Mage. How many Mages, or even First-Class Mages, would know Erilfrachte?
Most mages can usually sense the superior power level of their opponents simply by observing their mana. Furthermore, in principle, truly understanding another mage's magic makes it unsurprising that one could find a way to nullify it. (Moreover, concrete examples of success in this regard are almost exclusively attributed to First-Class mages. Characters of lower levels are rarely mentioned in this context)
Heiter is the Priest of the Hero Party that slayed the Demon King. He's the greatest Priest in history.
But that was him as a child.
 
(Moreover, concrete examples of success in this regard are almost exclusively attributed to First-Class mages. Characters of lower levels are rarely mentioned in this context)
Then it shouldn't be on a page for general mage abilities.

But that was him as a child
He's still a genius, and Priests still need the specific scripture on-hand to cast Goddess Magic.
 
Then it shouldn't be on a page for general mage abilities.
A low-level mage can still sense a power greater than himself from the amount of mana he has. I don't think we should remove it entirely. At the very least, remove Power Nullification and keep Information Analysis.
 
I’ve removed many things already. I think the remaining parts should be something universally acceptable.
 
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