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Unohana Vs Zoro

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Roronoa Zoro (Post-Timeskip)

Roronoa Zoro (ロロノア・ゾロ?), also known by his former epithet of "Pirate Hunter" after the Raid his new title of "The King of Hell", is the premier swordsman of the Straw Hat Pirates and a member of the Monster Trio. Recruited as a mildly notorious bounty hunter (hence his “Pirate Hunter” moniker)...
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Retsu Unohana

Retsu Unohana (卯ノ花 烈, Unohana Retsu), formerly known as Yachiru Unohana (卯ノ花 八千流, Unohana Yachiru), was the captain of the Fourth Division in the Gotei 13. She was one of the oldest and most experienced captains, and was the Soul Society's best healer, as well as the first person to wield the...
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Speed equal
5-C for both
Take place in the Muken
 
Might have to go with Yachiru, unless ofc proven wrong

Cus she has All kinds of Kido.

She can keep Zoro in place with all kinds of Bakudo: Sajo Sabaku, Rikujokoro, Hyapporankan and Kuyo Shibari, then use insane Hado like Kurohitsugi and Goryūtenmetsu
 
How long before this turns into a skill argument. Anywho leaning zoro because his numerous amps and observation haki to aid in dodging certain kido as well as aid him in close combat
 
Kidkinsey said:
How long before this turns into a skill argument.
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That won't be necessary, as much as I'd want that

Should've chosen Mihawk if you wanted to go there

Anywho, Unohana has soul invulnerability, which Haki can't interact with at all, so nothing Zoro does can hurt her. Meanwhile, one attack to his soul and he's toast.
Kidkinsey said:
Anywho leaning zoro because his numerous amps and observation haki to aid in dodging certain kido as well as aid him in close combat
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Unohana starts in Bankai, so although she can use Kido, her main move is slashing dura neg corrosive blood that she surrounds the battlefield with, which she can do very quickly. I could argue the skillfulness compared to Zoro and argue how Zoro's gonna have a shitty time, but honestly this is a stomp as is, one of these kills Zoro from soul damage and Zoro can't hurt her because of the above.

Post-Unohana Training Zaraki would be more entertaining and thematic, but that wouldn't work either.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
That won't be necessary, as much as I'd want that

Should've chosen Mihawk if you wanted to go there

Anywho, Unohana has soul invulnerability, which Haki can't interact with at all, so nothing Zoro does can hurt her. Meanwhile, one attack to his soul and he's toast.

Unohana starts in Bankai, so although she can use Kido, her main move is slashing dura neg corrosive blood that she surrounds the battlefield with, which she can do very quickly. I could argue the skillfulness compared to Zoro and argue how Zoro's gonna have a shitty time, but honestly this is a stomp as is, one of these kills Zoro from soul damage and Zoro can't hurt her because of the above.

Post-Unohana Training Zaraki would be more entertaining and thematic, but that wouldn't work either.
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There have been one piece vs Bleach character threads before so I'm gonna assume OP characters can attack bleach ones

The dura neg blood may surround him but what EXACTLY does it do. Is it some blood touch you and you die hax?
 
Kidkinsey said:
There have been one piece vs Bleach character threads before so I'm gonna assume OP characters can attack bleach ones
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They can't. Haki was never shown to interact on the soul level aside from Kenbun seeing souls. Some DFs could, but we're talking about Roronoa f**king Zoro, the dude with not a trace of a DF in his system. I honestly think they just saw the resistance to soul manipulation and thought "hmm, let's fight Bleach!" I honestly don't know how those matches even happened in the first place.
Kidkinsey said:
The dura neg blood may surround him but what EXACTLY does it do.
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The blood is extremely corrosive and it melts you away, down to the bone
Kidkinsey said:
Is it some blood touch you and you die hax?
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It wouldn't really be for a Bleach character seeing as fodder souls have immo type 2 and Kenpachi was fighting her without muscles on his body (albeit Unohana was also healing him) but uh, this is also on a spiritual level, meaning this is gonna hit Zoro's astral self, his soul is taking that damage.
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
They can't. Haki was never shown to interact on the soul level aside from Kenbun seeing souls. Some DFs could, but we're talking about Roronoa f**king Zoro, the dude with not a trace of a DF in his system. I honestly think they just saw the resistance to soul manipulation and thought "hmm, let's fight Bleach!" I honestly don't know how those matches even happened in the first place.

The blood is extremely corrosive and it melts you away, down to the bone

It wouldn't really be for a Bleach character seeing as fodder souls have immo type 2 and Kenpachi was fighting her without muscles on his body (albeit Unohana was also healing him) but uh, this is also on a spiritual level, meaning this is gonna hit Zoro's astral self, his soul is taking that damage.
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So to fight a bleach char, do you need soul manip only or NPI works fine too
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
Well if they can touch souls I'm certain that would work, so long as they can harm them.

rn I'm on vacation, so I'm not in the best mindset in terms of specifics.
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I also heard from other people that invulnerability can be bypassed with a higher dimensional AP. So would a 2-C character like Krillin (he has no soul manip or NPI against souls) can harm the average bleach character?
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
In AP only. A character who is 4D would have a higher-dimensional existence (which DB peeps don't have)
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Yeah like in my original question
Johner2133451 said:
I also heard from other people that invulnerability can be bypassed with a higher dimensional AP. So would a 2-C character like Krillin (he has no soul manip or NPI against souls) can harm the average bleach character?
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Johner2133451 said:
Wait then why is everyone here saying Higher dimensional AP can negate invulnerability?

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Omegabronic said:
Nah, it is bond by Dimensionality, if you are like, 1 joule above that ain't gonna work
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If your 10 times above it would tho- because again NLF
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They're DB fans, what did you expect?

Also the comment right below debunks that.

McFriesGuy075

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Darkmon_cns said:
If your 10 times above it would tho- because again NLF
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It does not work like that. No matter how higher you are in the same dimensionality, you will not be able to harm someone invulnerable.

A High 3-A can't harm an invulnerable 10-C.
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EDIT: I know this is talking about within 3D, but even if your AP is above their hax's dimensionality, it will not automatically bypass it. Someone with 4D AP can't harm someone who has AE type 1 on a 3D level unless they specifically have NPI for that abstraction (such as being able to touch concepts given that AE is conceptual in nature)
 
ReaperAndBlues said:
They're DB fans, what did you expect?

Also the comment right below debunks that.
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So these comments are also wrong?

Omegabronic

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Johner2133451 said:
Wait what about Super Sonic at his 2-C key? He has invulnerability which allows him to tank Xeno Goku basic attacks I think
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No, Dimensionally Superior/5D attacks bypass 4D invulnerability

DBS Manga Goku will scale to baseline 2-C like Sonic's secret rings key, so just make that fight when i find time to apply that revision

SJG13673

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Johner2133451 said:
Wait what about Super Sonic at his 2-C key? He has invulnerability which allows him to tank Xeno Goku basic attacks I think
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By site rules, dimensional jumps (Low 2-C vs Low 1-C) allows a Low 1-C character to punch through lower one's invulnerability because their strength literally transends everything a lower fighter have, unless it was shown to take attacks from dimensionally stronger attacks
 
Johner2133451 said:
So these comments are also wrong?

Omegabronic

Post in thread 'Sonic vs Goku'

Johner2133451 said:
Wait what about Super Sonic at his 2-C key? He has invulnerability which allows him to tank Xeno Goku basic attacks I think
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No, Dimensionally Superior/5D attacks bypass 4D invulnerability

DBS Manga Goku will scale to baseline 2-C like Sonic's secret rings key, so just make that fight when i find time to apply that revision

SJG13673

Post in thread 'Sonic vs Goku'

Johner2133451 said:
Wait what about Super Sonic at his 2-C key? He has invulnerability which allows him to tank Xeno Goku basic attacks I think
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By site rules, dimensional jumps (Low 2-C vs Low 1-C) allows a Low 1-C character to punch through lower one's invulnerability because their strength literally transends everything a lower fighter have, unless it was shown to take attacks from dimensionally stronger attacks
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Yes. You are being led astray by false prophets.

To be clear, specific invulnerability such as soul-based invuln would require you to have Soul Manipulation or NPI for souls, just being 2-C ain't enough, you need to be shown to hurt souls since it's essentially a way to bypass conventional damage. Higher dimensional AP cannot interact with everything in lower dimensions, such as NEP, AE, or types of intangibility that require NPI or invuln that requires a certain type of manipulation (such as Bleach's necessitating Soul Manipulation). Back to DBS, Hakai Energy can hurt souls because it was shown to do so, as well as Toei Ki Manip, but not regular. Invulnerability that's not bound or requiring of a certain hax to bypass is subject to higher dimensional AP however, since it's merely just "you can't hurt me" and not "you can't hurt me because you can't interact with me."

I'm not in my best mindset to explain accurately nor am I very knowledgeable on this kinda shit, but this is the best I can explain. If someone more experienced than I can correct me, that would be very helpful.
 
That might need a Q&A thread with more knowledgeable members on the topic to be accepted before I do so. I can't open a closed thread cause of a one off comment (although I do agree with reaper)
 
KingTempest said:
That might need a Q&A thread with more knowledgeable members on the topic to be accepted before I do so. I can't open a closed thread cause of a one off comment (although I do agree with reaper)
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ReaperAndBlues said:
Nothing really. It'd be best to seal the deal and put this on ice.

At least Johner didn't make this one this time
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Can you guys talk in this thread? https://vsbattles.com/threads/can-higher-dimensional-ap-negate-invulnerability.175665/#post-6916229
 
Why would this be a stomp? Zoro's Buso would stop his swords from getting corroded by Unohana's bankai and his Kenbun can help him in defending his body.
 
Kachon123 said:
Why would this be a stomp? Zoro's Buso would stop his swords from getting corroded by Unohana's bankai and his Kenbun can help him in defending his body.
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It's a stomp because Zoro can't interact with Unohana or stop soul damage because Haki can't interact with souls aside from kenbun being able to see them
 
Didn't rukia say u can interact with high density souls (basically everybody that isn't literally fodder)
 
9/10 bleach matchups are
Can they even see or interact with the bleach charcter??
Do they not just one shot by soul based attacks??
 
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