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Gran Torino and Mirko upgrades, I'll discuss Gran Torino first.
I believe Gran Torino should be downscaling to baseline High 6-C+, which is 550 Gigatons of TNT.
Not fully if what I have is enough for his AP and Lifting Strength to scale, but I think his durability is solid.
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Please specify what you agree with, assuming you don't agree with everything.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, LordTracer, (2)
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Neutral: (0)
Moving on, I want to discuss something about Mirko that might be controversial.
Mirko should scale to Complete Tomura, making her 6-B in AP/Dura with Rabbit, downscaling from 52.65 Teratons of TNT to be exact.
Note: I'm not saying she's equal to him, she's without a doubt weaker, but she is clearly strong enough to scale to his tier.
Sandbox of how her profile will look.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, LordTracer, (2)
Disagree: (0)
Neutral: (0)
I believe Gran Torino should be downscaling to baseline High 6-C+, which is 550 Gigatons of TNT.
Not fully if what I have is enough for his AP and Lifting Strength to scale, but I think his durability is solid.
We got four feats here.
1: Here he withstood being hit by All For One's Rivet Stab as well, which is strong enough to harm All Might.
2: Gran Torino takes a direct punch to the face from All Might, as All For One used him as a human shield. All Might didn't weakened his attack as Impact Recoil still hurt him.
3: He withstood being struck in the stomach by Incomplete Tomura. You can see there is an impact going to Gran Torino's gut and he's coughing up blood.
4: He later withstood being slammed into the ground by Tomura as well.
He takes noticeable damage in these cases, which is why he's downscaling to 550 Gigatons.
The only anti-feats is that moments later, Tomura punched into his stomach. I'll note that the punch didn't go all the way through and he was shown to still be conscious. I'm aware that part is more of an endurance feat. But Tomura already hit him previously, so that took two attacks and the punch wasn't instantly fatal.
The only other "anti-feat" for Torino is 5% Izuku giving him a scratch just by grazing him. However, even without the High 6-C+ scaling this feat is nonsensical. As Gran Torino was capable of stomping people who scale above 5% like Magne and the Mid-Tier Nomu. 5% scratching him with a graze would imply that he's vastly stronger than Gran Torino.
Which is not the case at all.
Note: The only other feat of someone hurting Gran Torino is Machia's offscreen damage. Considering Machia jumps from 7-C to Low 6-B, it's irrelevant. Which means, what I've listed above is all of Gran Torino's Durability feats from the main series. High 6-C is clearly more consistent than him being scratched by 5% Izuku.
1: Here he withstood being hit by All For One's Rivet Stab as well, which is strong enough to harm All Might.
2: Gran Torino takes a direct punch to the face from All Might, as All For One used him as a human shield. All Might didn't weakened his attack as Impact Recoil still hurt him.
3: He withstood being struck in the stomach by Incomplete Tomura. You can see there is an impact going to Gran Torino's gut and he's coughing up blood.
4: He later withstood being slammed into the ground by Tomura as well.
He takes noticeable damage in these cases, which is why he's downscaling to 550 Gigatons.
The only anti-feats is that moments later, Tomura punched into his stomach. I'll note that the punch didn't go all the way through and he was shown to still be conscious. I'm aware that part is more of an endurance feat. But Tomura already hit him previously, so that took two attacks and the punch wasn't instantly fatal.
The only other "anti-feat" for Torino is 5% Izuku giving him a scratch just by grazing him. However, even without the High 6-C+ scaling this feat is nonsensical. As Gran Torino was capable of stomping people who scale above 5% like Magne and the Mid-Tier Nomu. 5% scratching him with a graze would imply that he's vastly stronger than Gran Torino.
Which is not the case at all.
Note: The only other feat of someone hurting Gran Torino is Machia's offscreen damage. Considering Machia jumps from 7-C to Low 6-B, it's irrelevant. Which means, what I've listed above is all of Gran Torino's Durability feats from the main series. High 6-C is clearly more consistent than him being scratched by 5% Izuku.
There are only a few feats worth mentioning to my understanding.
1: He catches All Might after being launched by All For One's Air Cannon.
We see later that AFO's Air Cannon can hurt Gran Torino even indirectly, so him stopping and catching All Might could support his AP scaling.
2: Deflected an attack from Incomplete Shigaraki, which he even says was the best way to avoid that.
This could allow him to downscale to 550 Gigatons as well in AP, but I'm uncertain as I said above.
Gran Torino did also attempt to strike Shigaraki. But I don't think this is usable for anything.
He did slammed Shigaraki into the ground, but he was already in the air so it's not like that means anything.
But the anime showed should he held him down for a few seconds before being overpowered. This support an At most Class P Lifting Strength rating.
1: He catches All Might after being launched by All For One's Air Cannon.
We see later that AFO's Air Cannon can hurt Gran Torino even indirectly, so him stopping and catching All Might could support his AP scaling.
2: Deflected an attack from Incomplete Shigaraki, which he even says was the best way to avoid that.
This could allow him to downscale to 550 Gigatons as well in AP, but I'm uncertain as I said above.
Gran Torino did also attempt to strike Shigaraki. But I don't think this is usable for anything.
He did slammed Shigaraki into the ground, but he was already in the air so it's not like that means anything.
But the anime showed should he held him down for a few seconds before being overpowered. This support an At most Class P Lifting Strength rating.
Sandbox of how his profile would look.
Please specify what you agree with, assuming you don't agree with everything.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, LordTracer, (2)
Disagree: (0)
Neutral: (0)
Moving on, I want to discuss something about Mirko that might be controversial.
Mirko should scale to Complete Tomura, making her 6-B in AP/Dura with Rabbit, downscaling from 52.65 Teratons of TNT to be exact.
Note: I'm not saying she's equal to him, she's without a doubt weaker, but she is clearly strong enough to scale to his tier.
This isn't hard to explain, she's able to knock Tomura to the ground and even draw blood from him with her attacks.
This is very clear scaling, even though she is weaker. That's not the hard part. It's the fact that we currently treat this as an outlier for her.
An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. I'm here to argue that this doesn't fit with Mirko's scaling to Tomura at all. Thankfully, no one scales to Mirko's Rabbit so it doesn't mess up any scaling.
Mirko was already strong enough to one shot the High-End Nomu, who are stronger than the USJ Nomu, who is just as strong as Weakened All Might. She was already one shotting people who are High 6-C+, her harming someone who is 6-B is just further proof of her strength.
So her being 6-B wouldn't be inconsistent with her known level of strength.
Her body's durability will remain at High 6-C+, only her Rabbit/Legs will be rated as 6-B in AP and Dura. While she did take a hit from Complete Tomura, she was taken out instantly. She was unable to continue fighting even with her insane endurance, she stayed out for the entire arc.
Also, the only time her legs were damaged was against the High-Ends. Both of whom used piercing power, not just raw strength.
I need to mention Bakugo, as we currently rate his Cluster above Mirko. But this should be removed from his profile. Bakugo's attack was not stronger than Mirko's, Tomura's statement about not taking any damage doesn't apply to her attacks. She made him stagger and damaged him, which freaked him out and left him confused.
Bakugo's attack stung Tomura at best and didn't even move him. While Mirko knocked him to the ground and later made him bleed. After that his body responded by evolving into defensive form. Mirko damaged him and he becomes more durable to protect himself from further damage. This clearly shows that Mirko > Cluster.
We also later find out that Bakugo's Cluster is inferior to Endeavor. So Bakugo being inferior to Mirko in terms of raw power is pretty much a given.
This is very clear scaling, even though she is weaker. That's not the hard part. It's the fact that we currently treat this as an outlier for her.
An Outlier is an event or incident that is considered to be completely and irreconcilably inconsistent with a character, entity, group, or series' normal displayed level of power. I'm here to argue that this doesn't fit with Mirko's scaling to Tomura at all. Thankfully, no one scales to Mirko's Rabbit so it doesn't mess up any scaling.
Mirko was already strong enough to one shot the High-End Nomu, who are stronger than the USJ Nomu, who is just as strong as Weakened All Might. She was already one shotting people who are High 6-C+, her harming someone who is 6-B is just further proof of her strength.
So her being 6-B wouldn't be inconsistent with her known level of strength.
Her body's durability will remain at High 6-C+, only her Rabbit/Legs will be rated as 6-B in AP and Dura. While she did take a hit from Complete Tomura, she was taken out instantly. She was unable to continue fighting even with her insane endurance, she stayed out for the entire arc.
Also, the only time her legs were damaged was against the High-Ends. Both of whom used piercing power, not just raw strength.
I need to mention Bakugo, as we currently rate his Cluster above Mirko. But this should be removed from his profile. Bakugo's attack was not stronger than Mirko's, Tomura's statement about not taking any damage doesn't apply to her attacks. She made him stagger and damaged him, which freaked him out and left him confused.
Bakugo's attack stung Tomura at best and didn't even move him. While Mirko knocked him to the ground and later made him bleed. After that his body responded by evolving into defensive form. Mirko damaged him and he becomes more durable to protect himself from further damage. This clearly shows that Mirko > Cluster.
We also later find out that Bakugo's Cluster is inferior to Endeavor. So Bakugo being inferior to Mirko in terms of raw power is pretty much a given.
Sandbox of how her profile will look.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, LordTracer, (2)
Disagree: (0)
Neutral: (0)
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